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LadyTudorsFan |
Jane Boleyn web page
May 13 2012, 9:15 AM EDT
Hi all,I am working on a historical novel about Jane Boleyn. I have created a web page, so please feel free to visit if like discussing all things Tudor (which of course you do! :) ) - the link is http://www.facebook.com/facebook#!/pages/Jane-Boleyn-Lady-Rochford/355416077859201 Do you find this valuable? |
HeverRose |
1. RE: Jane Boleyn web page
May 14 2012, 1:49 PM EDT
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Lot's of luck on your novel. It will certainly be interesting..As I am sure you know, there is an intriguing representation of Jane Boleyn in Phillipa Gregory's novel The Boleyn Inheritance ( the only one of her books I like ) written in the first person. And she fgures prominently in Hilary Mantel's two books. If you are inclined to share your thoughts ( some writers are and some aren't) I am sure it will make for an intersting discussion here on the site. Do you find this valuable? |
princess212 |
2. RE: Jane Boleyn web page
May 14 2012, 2:30 PM EDT
I wish you well on you novel! I am working on one as well though it becomes an alternate universe.
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royalfalcon |
3. RE: Jane Boleyn web page
May 14 2012, 4:33 PM EDT
Yes,good luck with the novel Danielle - sounds very interesting
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LadyTudorsFan |
4. RE: Jane Boleyn web page
May 14 2012, 5:01 PM EDT
Thanks for your support! :) Feel free to contribute to the discussions on the page too - I try to keep it updated with different topics regularly! :)Yes, I like "The Boleyn Inheritance" book. I can't say I totally agree with Jane's representation in that though. She is portrayed as a bit of a mad woman lol. I thnk she was a bit of a grey character in reality - she got involved in the wrong kind of things, but she also was a woman trying to survive in a male-dominated (and rather dangerous) Tudor court. Getting involved in Katherine Howard's affair, in retrospect, was very foolish. However, at the time, she probably thought it was worth the risk. Henry didn't have that long to go and Katherine was not getting pregnant by him. I personally think though that the irony is, if Katherine hadn't had an affair with Thomas Culpepper and had played the Good Wife, but still had not given Henry a son, he probably would have still have found an excuse to send her - and anyone associated with her, including Jane - to the Tower. So, the ending would have been the same anyway tragically! Do you find this valuable? |
freya9 |
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May 15 2012, 8:27 AM EDT
I think perhaps in that situation Henry would have come up with a reason why their marriage was invalid. He could have still used the relationship with Dereham to acheive this.
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LadyTudorsFan |
6. RE: Jane Boleyn web page
May 27 2012, 4:41 PM EDT
He was quite cruel to Dereham though compared to how he punished Culpepper. Culpepper was the one that actually had an affair with Katherine whereas Dereham's crime was for knowing Katherine before she could have ever imagined being Queen. This was reflected on the methods of punishment used against Dereham, and Culpepper - Dereham had "spoiled Katherine" for Henry according to Henry.
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freya9 |
7. RE: Jane Boleyn web page
May 29 2012, 3:50 PM EDT
I suppose Henry's logic was if Dereham had not 'spoiled' Katherine she wouldn't have become corrupted and had the affair with Culpepper. Culpepper was just taking advantage of Catherine's lustful nature whilst Dereham in Henry's opinion had created it.
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LadyTudorsFan |
8. RE: Jane Boleyn web page
May 30 2012, 4:58 PM EDT
True. What did people think about about Culpepper having an affair with Jane Boleyn? There's definitely nothing to suggest that that happened in real life, but if it was true, I guess it was his way of getting to Catherine.
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freya9 |
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May 31 2012, 2:40 PM EDT
I think, like a lot of people, they were trying to find a reason for Jane helping Katherine after she had seen what happened to Anne Boleyn. Perhaps Jane thought if Katherine was found out she could escape by giving evidence against her.
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LadyTudorsFan |
10. RE: Jane Boleyn web page
Jun 29 2012, 6:15 PM EDT
This was another interesting thing - turning against Katherine by giving evidence against her. From the outside, it looks like history repeating itself and Jane is just stitching up another of her relatives. I agree that there was an element of self-preservation though. The difference between what Jane said and what Katherine had said is interesting too - Katherine said that nothing happened between her and Culpepper and this is backed-up by David Starkey who believes that they just sat up and talked all night (something I'm not too convinced of myself), whereas Jane said there was more to it than that. If Jane had made that up, that was definitely a bit bitchy! :)
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freya9 |
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Jun 30 2012, 6:25 AM EDT
If Katherine and Culpepper had net yet consumated their relationship you can understand Jane thinking that they had. It seems that once a person was arrested for treason all their family and friends distanced themselves and this was considered the norm. I think a lot of people forget this and judge the Tudor court too harshly. Do you find this valuable? |
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HeverRose |
12. RE: Jane Boleyn web page
Jun 30 2012, 11:25 AM EDT
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Why does Starkey think they just sat around and talked? I really don't understand this current trend in whitewashing all the rogues in history. The Tudor age, like any other age, is full of people behaving badly. The only person I believe that was truly innocent of the charges was Anne Boleyn. I believe her for whatever reason. Everyone else, I think, was more or less as they have come down to us. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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royalfalcon |
13. RE: Jane Boleyn web page
Jul 1 2012, 11:12 AM EDT
I have several Daviid Starkey DVD's and am not so sure he did think that Katherine and Culpepper "just sat around and talked" I not saying he didn't say that I would need to check out my DVD's again. However, David Starkey often makes tongue in cheek comments and this might have been one such occasion.Sasha I certainly would not agree that everybody that is painted as a rogue is one. History is notoriously written by the winners. and from their prospective. Even top historians do not agree about individual characters and and their reasons for doing certain things. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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freya9 |
14. RE: Jane Boleyn web page
Jul 1 2012, 11:25 AM EDT
I agree with Royalfalcon. It is not that historical characters are being whitewashed but they are being studied as complex people with their own particualr beliefs & motives within the context of the society they were part of. It is interesting that you mention Anne Boleyn as she was someone who was villianised for a long time. During Elizabeth's reign she was barely mentioned and it wasn't until the Victorian era that she her reputation was rehabilitated.
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