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HeverRose |
160. RE: Timeline for the Fall of Anne Boleyn
May 12 2012, 12:28 PM EDT
I am trying to decide whether people really believed in their guilt or just went along with it because it was expected to find them guilty.
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royalfalcon |
161. RE: Timeline for the Fall of Anne Boleyn
May 12 2012, 1:12 PM EDT
"I am trying to decide whether people really believed in their guilt or just went along with it because it was expected to find them guilty."I think the latter Sasha. People just went along wth it because it was what was expected of them. Do you find this valuable? |
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HeverRose |
162. RE: Timeline for the Fall of Anne Boleyn
May 12 2012, 1:27 PM EDT
I tend to lean towards that view as well. And to do what was expected carried much more weight than it does in our individualistic culture today.The only thing I would say is that it was still a "dark"age, before the advent of any kind of notion of human rights, so their frame of reference was much more limited. It is still no excuse, but it explains how this could happen as easily as it did. Do you find this valuable? |
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163. RE: Timeline for the Fall of Anne Boleyn
May 12 2012, 1:41 PM EDT
I agree, people just went with what was expected of them. Some of the jury definitely owed Cromwell and the King favours so they did what they had to do. I think others though were sceptical, Chapuys said "The others were condemned upon presumption and certain indications, without valid proof or confession", so he was definitely sceptical about it all.
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freya9 |
164. RE: Timeline for the Fall of Anne Boleyn
May 13 2012, 6:22 AM EDT
It's interesting that orginally all the men involved were condemed to being hung, drawn & quartered but executed by beheading. I thought that members of the nobility, even of these gentlemen's status, would be automatically given the setence of beheading unless the King decreed otherwise.I have always thought that many people believed in Anne's guilt because they disliked her. It is always easier to believe or convince ourselves to believe something negative about a person we don't like. You often hear people say things along the lines of 'I can't believe X did such and such, as they were such a nice person' or 'It dosen't suprise me about X, I always thought they dodgy'. How much credence would Henry have given the accusations against Anne if she had been the sweet natured mother of his healthy sons ? How many people would have taken silly flirting & banter as evidence of adultry if she had been as beloved as Katherine of Aragon or Elizabeth of York ? Do you find this valuable? |
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165. RE: Timeline for the Fall of Anne Boleyn
May 13 2012, 7:05 AM EDT
Yes, men of status tended to have their sentences commuted to beheading, which happened, of course, in this case. Smeaton could have been hanged, drawn and quartered (like Francis Dereham in 1541) but also had his commuted to beheading, which makes me wonder if that was part of a deal in exchange for his confession.
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theanneboleynfiles |
166. RE: Timeline for the Fall of Anne Boleyn
May 13 2012, 7:06 AM EDT
On 13th May 1536, Henry Percy, Earl of Northumberland wrote to Thomas Cromwell. The subject of his letter was the alleged pre-contract which was said to have existed between himself and Anne Boleyn before she married Henry VIII.Percy had already denied the existence of such a pre-contract, when interrogated by the Duke of Norfolk and two archbishops in 1532, by swearing an oath on the Blessed Sacrament. However, Cromwell resurrected the issue in May 1536 and put pressure on Percy to admit to a pre-contract. Percy stuck to his guns and Cromwell had to enlist the help of Archbishop Cranmer to find another way to annul the King’s marriage to Anne Boleyn. Also on this day in 1536, Anne Boleyn’s royal household at Greenwich was broken up. Anne hadn’t even been tried yet, never mind found guilty! Henry VIII was obviously confident that Anne was going to be condemned. Do you find this valuable? |
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freya9 |
167. RE: Timeline for the Fall of Anne Boleyn
May 13 2012, 8:22 AM EDT
Indeed. Henry was also reported to have assured Jane Seymour the morning of Anne's trial that a guilty verdict would be brought in a certain time that afternoon. Not only was he already sure of her guilt he knew when the jury would declare her so.
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theanneboleynfiles |
168. RE: Timeline for the Fall of Anne Boleyn
May 14 2012, 5:37 AM EDT
14th May 1536 - Henry VIII orders Carew to move Jane Seymour to Chelsea to be closer to him and Cromwell writes to Wallop and Gardiner in France regarding Anne's "incontinent living".
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169. RE: Timeline for the Fall of Anne Boleyn
May 15 2012, 12:41 PM EDT
15th May 1536 - Trials of Anne Boleyn and George Boleyn. Both defended themselves admirably but both were found guilty and sentenced to death. Anne to be burned or beheaded, and George to be hanged, drawn and quartered.Also, on the morning of 15th May 1536, while Anne Boleyn prepared herself for her trial, Jane Seymour received a message from the King telling her that “he would send her news at 3 o’clock of the condemnation of the putain.” Obviously there was no need for a trial, really, when the King already knew that Anne would be condemned! 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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HeverRose |
170. RE: Timeline for the Fall of Anne Boleyn
May 17 2012, 9:19 PM EDT
May 16th and May 17th:The King signed the death warrents, and Cranmer came to visit Anne in the Tower to get her cooperation in the annullment of her marriage. On the 17th, the five men were executed on Tower Hill. It took three strokes for George Boleyn to die. After him came Norris, then Weston, then Brereton and lastly Mark Smeaton, the only one who had confessed. Do you find this valuable? |
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HeverRose |
171. RE: Timeline for the Fall of Anne Boleyn
May 18 2012, 11:13 AM EDT
May 18th, 1536, a Thursday, was Anne Boleyn's last full day on earth. There was some expectation that she would be executed that day and she expressed disappointment at further delay.On this day, she also took the sacrament and confessed that she had never sinned against the King "with her body." 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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172. RE: Timeline for the Fall of Anne Boleyn
May 19 2012, 12:29 PM EDT
May she rest in peace and God bless her soul.
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173. RE: Timeline for the Fall of Anne Boleyn
May 19 2012, 1:28 PM EDT
19th May 1536 - Execution of Anne Boleyn at the Tower of London. As Archbishop Cranmer said, "She who has been the Queen of England upon earth will to-day become a Queen in heaven."
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174. RE: Timeline for the Fall of Anne Boleyn
May 19 2012, 1:44 PM EDT
In many ways, Anne's last moment on the scaffold was her finest moment, and one of the reasons why she lives on in the minds and hearts of many people. On this day, May 19th, we remember your courage and may God bless you, Anne! 2 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
