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did anne lose her virginity with henri percy or thomas wyat or the kin
Oct 14 2011, 9:08 AM EDT
did anne lose her virginity with henri percy or thomas wyat or the king ?
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1. RE: did anne lose her virginity with henri percy or thomas wyat or the kin
Oct 14 2011, 10:04 AM EDT
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None of us will ever know for sure. However, when Henry asked her to be his Maitresse en titre in 1527, she answered by saying she would only give her virginity (maidenhead) to her husband. As for Wyatt, there is no evidence that she ever reciprocated his attraction which he put in words through his poetry. She seems to have been "in love" with Percy but that doesn't mean she gave up her virginity. It seems that she valued it too much to do that before a formal betrothal with him.
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freya9 |
2. RE: did anne lose her virginity with henri percy or thomas wyat or the kin
Oct 14 2011, 3:02 PM EDT
As MsSquirrly says no one could ever say for sure. However based on what I have read about Anne I think that the King was the one. She may have done other things with Henry Percy but I don't think she ever considered Wyatt anything more than a flirtation. Despite her reputation I don't see Anne as being a very sexually charged person. Certainly in the sense of being very vibrant, witty, lively and having sex appeal she was. But I feel that actual sex was a different matter and she was one of those women were they had to be in a committed realtionship to enjoy love making.
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HeverRose |
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Oct 14 2011, 3:22 PM EDT
So was Anne really such a good girl?There is something that I would like to know, and that is exactly how sexual a woman Anne was. If she lost her virginity with Henry, then she waited an awful long time for her first encounter, for that supposedly happened in 1532, which means she was 31 years old. Now I understand the mores about sexual behaviour were different back then. Virginity was much more highly prized than it is today. But cultural traditions are actually neither here nor there when it comes to human drives, or lack of them. When it comes to sex, nature ususally trumps culture. The reason this question interests me is that so much has been made of Anne's role as "femme fatale" or her status as a sexually vibrant woman. Even the bad name she was called during her life reduces her to that. Wouldn't it be ironic if she were in reality not very physical at all as far as her needs were concerned? I think Anne enjoyed the flirtation, enjoyed the attention but was OK with the wait because it did not bother her much. Any thoughts? 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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HeverRose |
4. RE: did anne lose her virginity with henri percy or thomas wyat or the kin
Oct 14 2011, 3:24 PM EDT
freya9: I saw your post after I wrote mine. Funny how we both think pretty much the same thing here!!
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MsSquirrly |
5. RE: did anne lose her virginity with henri percy or thomas wyat or the kin
Oct 14 2011, 4:03 PM EDT
I reckon you both have hit on something that a lot of people miss. Keeping the king at arms length all the time must have been quite a feat but I think that was probably what kept him entranced.....the mystery. Then once he bedded her....she lost her hold over him possibly because either she wasn't as passionate as he had expected or she really wasn't that into him. It is one of the major intriguing things about their romance...that it all went to hell in just 3 years. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Oct 14 2011, 4:10 PM EDT
I suspect that the union when it finally happened was most likely a big anticlimax for them both. Henry had most likely built it up so much in his mind that the reality was always going to be a big disappointment. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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freya9 |
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Oct 15 2011, 7:18 AM EDT
I agree. They had both sacrificed so much to marry that nothing was really going to make up for it. Henry had alienated his people, put the country is danger of being invaded, executed a friend and nearly destroyed his realtionship with Mary. Anne had become a notorious hate figure, mocked and slandered. She had lost her youth and gained many enemies.
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Jes89 |
8. RE: did anne lose her virginity with henri percy or thomas wyat or the kin
Oct 15 2011, 1:32 PM EDT
Not so sure. Maybe she was virgin, she wanted so bad to be not like her sister. Still i think that she knew well things about sex and have some kind of sex with Henry before Calais. Not to a point to lose her virginity though.
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MsSquirrly |
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Oct 15 2011, 4:33 PM EDT
She may have had some intimacy with Henry without going " all the way". There is some speculation about that (with Elizabeth too). With no really reliable birth control, pregnancy was always a risk and one that I am sure she didn't want to take until she was sure that marriage was inevitable.
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howardfan |
10. RE: did anne lose her virginity with henri percy or thomas wyat or the kin
Mar 28 2012, 2:02 AM EDT
Yes I agree with mssquirrly that there would have been some heavy petting type of intimacy without going all the way sexually with Henry percy. Also given the fact anne was rather fertile to suggest she had slept with other men besides henry would have meant that she at least would have found herself pregnant as her sister mary did before bedding the king. I doubt she was sexually active with thomas wyatt, she kept him in suspense I imagine but there is no proof they were lovers. Anne was indeed ambitious and intelligent and most likely would not have given in to her desires wholeheartedly as she did not want to be known as the "great *****" sadly however people did call her that once she was Queen but it was never her intention
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freya9 |
11. RE: did anne lose her virginity with henri percy or thomas wyat or the kin
Apr 2 2012, 8:28 AM EDT
Yes, it is ironic that if she had agreed to being Henry's mistress her reputation wouldn't have suffered as much as it did by her sticking to her principles.
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Apr 5 2012, 10:53 AM EDT
Wait, didn't the Boleyn girls live at the French court long before, they came to Henry's court? I know Mary had reputation at the French court and I sort assumed the same of Anne. I think she lied about her virginity just to get more interest from Henry...
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13. RE: did anne lose her virginity with henri percy or thomas wyat or the kin
Jul 3 2012, 3:13 PM EDT
We will never know, but I dont think she lied about her virginity, there is no evidence that she did, she just saw Thomas as a flirtation, and Henry Percy, well im not sure I dont think it went that far
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freya9 |
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Jul 3 2012, 3:26 PM EDT
There were never any rumours about Anne's behaviour in France. If there had been the slightest hint of a relationship her many enemies would have taken full advantage.
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BanditQueen1 |
15. RE: did anne lose her virginity with henri percy or thomas wyat or the kin
Jul 7 2012, 7:46 AM EDT
"So was Anne really such a good girl?I do not know if she was a ***** or a virgin, but personally I think that she lied to Henry stating she would only give up her maidenhead. She may have officially been a virgin as this was more or less expected at marriage, but remember most people, or at least females married younger than today and the men were older, in mid to late 20's. Anne would be anywhere between 25-31/2 when she married Henry but she had sexual relations with him prior to marriage and Elizabeth was a bastard. Anne was asexually mature young woman and sophisticated so it is likely that she had sexual encounters prior to her relationship with the King and during it. I doubt that either Henry or Anne remained frustrated sexually during all that time, seven years. Had she wanted to marry, she could grab a priest, 2 witnesses and it was legal. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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freya9 |
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Jul 7 2012, 12:49 PM EDT
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When you say that Elizabeth was illegitimate do you mean because she was likely conceived before her parent's marriage, because you don't think the marriage was valid or are you suggesting she was not Henry's daughter ? Henry and Anne could have had non-penetrative sex that would have satisfied their sexual needs without affecting Anne's virginity. The idea that Anne could 'grab a priest, 2 witnesses and it was legal' is ignoring the fact that Henry wanted the world to recognize his marriage as legal which is why he spent seven years trying to have his first marriage made invalid. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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HeverRose |
17. RE: did anne lose her virginity with henri percy or thomas wyat or the kin
Jul 7 2012, 2:43 PM EDT
Whether or not Elizabeth was truly illegitimate, even by today's more relaxed standards, would depend on how legally sound the anullment of Henry's marriage to Anne was at the end. Illegitimacy is basicaly a legal status for a child born outside of wedlock, even retroactively. What was the annulment based on? That Henry had a relationship with Anne's sister? Also, Anne agreed to it under duress, probably in the hope of a repreive. But because Anne died almost immediately upon her marriage's anullment, and that Henry was very clearly a widower free to marry again, the annulment never really underwent any kind of legal testing or challenge. Of course Elizabeth was "declared" illigitimate and never given back her legitimacy, but that was as much a politically and emotionally charged condition as it was any kind of "legal" condition. Do you find this valuable? |
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freya9 |
18. RE: did anne lose her virginity with henri percy or thomas wyat or the kin
Jul 8 2012, 12:02 PM EDT
Children born in a marriage which was believed to be valid at the time where usually considered legitimate. However with both Mary and Elizabeth since the reasons for annuling their mothers marriages would indicate that in both cases the couple were aware of the impedement that may not be the case.Do you think that Anne's reason for complying with Henry were in hope of a repreive ? I always thought it was because she had seen how Catherine's stubborness had affected Mary and wanted to protect Elizabeth from her father's anger. Do you find this valuable? |
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HeverRose |
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Jul 8 2012, 1:50 PM EDT
How well documented is the whole anullment? It has always seemed somewhat slippery,something just done in a makeshift way. What documentation is there as to Anne's reason for cooperating?Do you find this valuable? |
