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PastIsPrologue
Who is "Madame Ysabeau ?
Aug 22 2011, 10:18 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 22 2011, 10:18 AM EDT
I read somewhere that this was a nickname for Elizabeth by Henry, but can't find why it was. Help? Do you find this valuable?    
AbsintheFairey
AbsintheFairey
1. RE: Who is "Madame Ysabeau ?
Aug 27 2011, 8:03 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 27 2011, 8:03 AM EDT
"I read somewhere that this was a nickname for Elizabeth by Henry, but can't find why it was. Help?"
I am looking for you.
So far i have found there was a Madame Ysabeau in France in the 13th Century. Can't find anything else about her as yet Do you find this valuable?    
AbsintheFairey
AbsintheFairey
2. RE: Who is "Madame Ysabeau ?
Aug 27 2011, 8:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 27 2011, 8:14 AM EDT
Here is another possibility, although her christian name is spelled Isabeau
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://genealogiequebec.info/testphp/info.php%3Fno%3D176111&ei=QN9YTvvdJsiWhQem55gi&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CCcQ7gEwAg&prev=/search%3Fq%3DYsabeau%2Bd%2527Amboise%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D917%26bih%3D488%26prmd%3Divns Do you find this valuable?    
AbsintheFairey
AbsintheFairey
3. RE: Who is "Madame Ysabeau ?
Aug 27 2011, 8:35 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 27 2011, 8:35 AM EDT
Ok I think this one is the most likely of all
Dame Ysabeau DE HUTENAY de Champaigne113 was born about 1440 in The Kingdom of France. She died in The Kingdom of France. She has Ancestral File Number 184529.

Spouse: Seigneur Guillaume DE MAILLARD de Champaigne and Normandie. Seigneur Guillaume DE MAILLARD de Champaigne and Normandie and Dame Ysabeau DE HUTENAY de Champaigne were married about 1460 in The Kingdom of France. Children were: Seigneur Vigor DE MAILLARD de Champaigne.
Found at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~chatweb/b181.htm 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
MsSquirrly
MsSquirrly
4. RE: Who is "Madame Ysabeau ?
Aug 27 2011, 9:39 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 27 2011, 9:39 AM EDT
"I read somewhere that this was a nickname for Elizabeth by Henry, but can't find why it was. Help?"
There are many derivative nicknames for the name Elizabeth ...the most common in this era seems to have been Bessie or Bess and we know she was called Good Queen Bess. The only place I can find for this Ysabeau is here :
http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/edward6.html

It says : "Three-year-old Elizabeth, lacking Mary's maternal nobility, was not marriageable yet but Henry was described as 'very affectionate' toward her. He called her 'his Madame Ysabeau' and allowed both Elizabeth and Mary, though bastardized, precedence over their cousins. " - of course there is no source for it. I will check some more books and get back to you. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
AbsintheFairey
AbsintheFairey
5. RE: Who is "Madame Ysabeau ?
Aug 27 2011, 10:38 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 27 2011, 10:38 AM EDT
"There are many derivative nicknames for the name Elizabeth ...the most common in this era seems to have been Bessie or Bess and we know she was called Good Queen Bess. The only place I can find for this Ysabeau is here :
http://englishhistory.net/tudor/monarchs/edward6.html

It says : "Three-year-old Elizabeth, lacking Mary's maternal nobility, was not marriageable yet but Henry was described as 'very affectionate' toward her. He called her 'his Madame Ysabeau' and allowed both Elizabeth and Mary, though bastardized, precedence over their cousins. " - of course there is no source for it. I will check some more books and get back to you."
Oh yes that may well be the case. I was thinking along the lines of him perhaps calling her that after some famous or infamous "Madame Ysabeau" but that was purely my assumption, not based in any fact Do you find this valuable?    
MsSquirrly
MsSquirrly
6. RE: Who is "Madame Ysabeau ?
Aug 27 2011, 10:55 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 27 2011, 10:55 AM EDT
well according to the Baby name wizard, Ysabeau or Isabelle is a Spanish variant form of Elisabeth (God is my oath). Var: Isabell, Isabella. Short: Bell, Bella, Belle. Pet: Izzie.

http://www.babynamewizard.com/namipedia/girl/ysabeau 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
juliana-angela
juliana-angela
7. RE: Who is "Madame Ysabeau ?
Aug 27 2011, 2:01 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 27 2011, 2:01 PM EDT
"well according to the Baby name wizard, Ysabeau or Isabelle is a Spanish variant form of Elisabeth (God is my oath). Var: Isabell, Isabella. Short: Bell, Bella, Belle. Pet: Izzie.

http://www.babynamewizard.com/namipedia/girl/ysabeau"
Yes, that's right - Isabel and Isabella are the usual Spanish and Italian forms of Elizabeth. Isabeau was sometimes used in France - Isabeau of Bavaria was the Queen of Charles VI in the fifteenth century.

The 'I' and 'Y' for Isabel, Isabeau and Isabella seem to have been used interchangeably in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries - for example, Queen Isabella of Spain's name was usually spelled with a 'Y' by her contempories. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
jrmslady09
jrmslady09
8. RE: Who is "Madame Ysabeau ?
Aug 27 2011, 3:56 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 27 2011, 3:56 PM EDT
This is a most interesting fact or at least piece of information!!! Do you find this valuable?