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LaOriental |
20. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
May 3 2011, 8:12 PM EDT
DNA proof would be great! Actually, 500+ years is still a drop in the bucket when you consider that 1 year ago a team of scientists, doctors and Egyptologists confirmed that Tutankhamun is the son of Akhenaton.
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LadyTudorsFan |
21. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
May 7 2011, 6:26 PM EDT
I don't think they were his kids. Henry just claimed that Mary's kids were his, particularly the son, to give himself a boost. He needed this boost as he was troubled by the fact that he couldn't have a son by Catherine of Aragon. Also, according to Anne and Lady Rochford, he wasn't up to the job either, so this would have made him feel worse. He had once made a comment to Chapuys as he had felt he was being challenged over his capability to have kids, so this was definitely an issue that was deeply troubling him.
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AJBates |
22. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
May 7 2011, 7:04 PM EDT
"I don't think they were his kids. Henry just claimed that Mary's kids were his, particularly the son, to give himself a boost. "Henry never claimed Mary's Children as his own. If he did this board would have no purpose. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
juliana-angela |
23. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
May 8 2011, 7:35 AM EDT
"Henry never claimed Mary's Children as his own. If he did this board would have no purpose."Yes, I think that the fact that he didn't acknowledge them as his is the biggest pointer towards them being the children of Wiliam Carey. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
royalfalcon |
24. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
May 8 2011, 8:09 AM EDT
"Yes, I think that the fact that he didn't acknowledge them as his is the biggest pointer towards them being the children of Wiliam Carey."I totally agree. I feel sure he would have acknowledged at least the boy if he had been the father. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
HeverRose |
25. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
May 8 2011, 12:35 PM EDT
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"I totally agree. I feel sure he would have acknowledged at least the boy if he had been the father."Probably, as he did Henry Fitrzoy. The girl was born in 1524 and the boy, Henry (!) in 1526. Had the King become seriously interested in Anne by that time? The year given for the beginning of Henry' s infatuation with Anne is usually 1527, but I have also read it was earlier. If so, it may have been awkward to acknolwedge the child of Anne's sister as his. Elizabeth later showered her "cousin" with many titles and positions. Did she think him her cousin or "brother?" The only conclusive evidence would be DNA. In the meantime, it certainly is one of the many mysteries of the Tudor period. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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juliana-angela |
26. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
May 8 2011, 5:35 PM EDT
"Probably, as he did Henry Fitrzoy. The girl was born in 1524 and the boy, Henry (!) in 1526. Had the King become seriously interested in Anne by that time? The year given for the beginning of Henry' s infatuation with Anne is usually 1527, but I have also read it was earlier. If so, it may have been awkward to acknolwedge the child of Anne's sister as his. Elizabeth later showered her "cousin" with many titles and positions. Did she think him her cousin or "brother?"He may well have become infatuated with Anne by 1526, but I don't know whether it would really have been any more awkward for Henry to acknowledge one or both of Mary's children if they were his than it was to publicly admit his affair with Mary. He applied for a dispensation because the affair put his relationship with Anne within the forbidden degrees, and one might have expected the application to refer to the children if they were the product of it, but there was no mention of this. Elizabeth's favours to Lord Hunsdon are easily explained by the fact that as her first cousin, he was her closest relative in England and he was also extremely loyal to her. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
freya9 |
27. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
May 13 2011, 2:39 PM EDT
"He applied for a dispensation because the affair put his relationship with Anne within the forbidden degrees, and one might have expected the application to refer to the children if they were the product of it, but there was no mention of this. "Good point. The theory that Henry never recognized Mary's children because of Anne also does not fit the dates. Although there is some debate about when Henry's interest in Anne began he definitley asked her to become his mistress in Easter 1527 and did not ask her to marry him until the summer. This was two years after Mary's youngest child was born. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
LilRebelChick |
28. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Jun 5 2011, 4:42 AM EDT
"I have a hard time believing anyone has "important information" about a anything if they are only going to release it in a book THEY wrote. If it was really such a big deal you would state it immediately and without any call for money. "Well she is in it to sell her books. We can hardly fault any author for that. I'm writing myself right and I would be lying if I said I didn't want it to be a best seller and make lots of money. However, I am writing it because I simply love history and I want my books in print and for people to enjoy them even if they don't make me mint. ;) Do you find this valuable? |
henry's7thwife |
29. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Aug 12 2011, 5:46 AM EDT
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"I am very sceptical of claims by authors to have uncovered some evidence that has laid dormant for hundreds of years. I will, of course keep an open mind until I have the chance to read this book."I would have kept an open mind if it had been a historian claiming this. But Alison Weir...?! And I certainly do not intend spending money to fill her coffers so that she can write more lies. Do you find this valuable? |
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henry's7thwife |
30. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Aug 12 2011, 6:00 AM EDT
"I don't think they were his kids. Henry just claimed that Mary's kids were his, particularly the son, to give himself a boost. He needed this boost as he was troubled by the fact that he couldn't have a son by Catherine of Aragon. Also, according to Anne and Lady Rochford, he wasn't up to the job either, so this would have made him feel worse. He had once made a comment to Chapuys as he had felt he was being challenged over his capability to have kids, so this was definitely an issue that was deeply troubling him."Ermmm ... Henry never claimed any such thing, which is why there is a question today. And he did not need to give himself a boost by lying, as he already had a son by Bessie Blount, his former mistress. Besides, Catherine of Aragon was pregnant quite often, only was unable to take her children to term, or they died after birth. That clearly shows Henry was not shooting blanks. His concern was more for a heir. And it was not Anne or Lady Rochford who claimed that "he wasn't up to the job" either. It was George Boleyn who was asked about saying this during his trial. And even if they had claimed any such thing, it would be much later after Mary Boleyn had given birth to her children. I am not sure about this source either about his comment to Chapuys but if he said that, the issue was lack of a heir (meaning legitimate son). He already had a bastard son (Henry Fitzroy) and a legitimate daughter (Mary Tudor). It is highly likely that Henry would have become impotent after Jane Seymour gave birth to Edward, approximately around his Anne of Cleves years. You have got all your facts wrong ... please read up a bit. Do you find this valuable? |
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rosemarie678 |
31. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Jun 21 2012, 8:03 PM EDT
"Interesting, but I'll only be convinced with DNA proof.I think it would actually be a very good idea I have actually found out that William Carey was actually a cousin of Henry the eighths isnt it possible that he carried the red hair gene and her sister had aubern hair they might have been Careys and it would be kind of ironic and willam did look a bit like Henry so it is possible afterall noone knows how long the affair lasted and she wasnt an official mistress he would have tired of her if she became pregnant Do you find this valuable? |
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rosemarie678 |
32. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Jun 21 2012, 8:14 PM EDT
William carey was actually Henrys cousin, so I think (its only my theory) that William had the red hair gene as well as Mary and her sister had auburn hair and he also looked a tiny bit like Henry so it is possible they were Careys
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rosemarie678 |
33. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Jun 21 2012, 8:36 PM EDT
"DNA proof would be great! Actually, 500+ years is still a drop in the bucket when you consider that 1 year ago a team of scientists, doctors and Egyptologists confirmed that Tutankhamun is the son of Akhenaton."I agree my feeling is the children were careys but I had no idea about Akhenaton was King tut's dad how cool is that 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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freya9 |
34. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Jun 22 2012, 2:47 PM EDT
It's amazing what they can do nowadays. Can you imagine the things they could find out when we all have been gone for 500 years. 'Ah yes our tests prove that this was a female from the east midlands area of England, with scottish ancestory who drank far too much red wine and had very strong opinions on the Tudor period'. ;)
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