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MsSquirrly |
Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 26 2011, 1:18 PM EDT
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Alison Weir has been busy writing a new book called..."Mary Boleyn: The Great and Infamous Wh0re" which is due to be released later this year. In a recent article she wrote :"Mary probably became Henry VIII’s mistress in 1522. We do not know for certain how long their affair lasted. She bore two children, Katherine in 1524 and Henry in 1525, and many now believe that they were the King’s bastards. Against all my expectations, I have found new and compelling evidence that proves their paternity almost conclusively." That's a pretty substantial statement, I hope she really does have something that is conclusive.....but I have my doubts. 10 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you? |
royalfalcon |
1. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 26 2011, 1:29 PM EDT
"Alison Weir has been busy writing a new book called..."Mary Boleyn: The Great and Infamous Wh0re" which is due to be released later this year. In a recent article she wrote :I am very sceptical of claims by authors to have uncovered some evidence that has laid dormant for hundreds of years. I will, of course keep an open mind until I have the chance to read this book. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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MsSquirrly |
2. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 26 2011, 1:37 PM EDT
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well its interesting that she doesn't say what their paternity is....just that she can prove it. So perhaps its not Henry?Pretty good ploy to get us all to buy the book though eh? Especially all the people who think they are related to Henry because they are related to the Careys. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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royalfalcon |
3. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 26 2011, 1:40 PM EDT
"well its interesting that she doesn't say what their paternity is....just that she can prove it. So perhaps its not Henry?"Ah! I had not thought of that - good point Sue.. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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MsSquirrly |
4. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 26 2011, 1:49 PM EDT
"Ah! I had not thought of that - good point Sue.."lol we could make a pact to all go to the book stores and read the chapter on the paternity and come back and spill the beans so we don't all rush out and buy the book for no good reason........bwaahahaha...I feel so evil. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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royalfalcon |
5. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 26 2011, 2:14 PM EDT
"lol we could make a pact to all go to the book stores and read the chapter on the paternity and come back and spill the beans so we don't all rush out and buy the book for no good reason........bwaahahaha...I feel so evil."lol That is an even better thought than your last one!! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Nofretete |
6. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 27 2011, 4:29 AM EDT
Sounds like another 'sensational statement' to get people to read her books. She probably found 'evidence' in some victorian fantasy novel or an hitherto lost old family bible /sarcasm.
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Elliemental |
7. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 27 2011, 5:53 AM EDT
""Ploy" being the operative word. I have read Alison Weir's books before, and know the types of sources she uses. Don't get we wrong, she is good popular historian, and a great writer. But, under scrutiny, her analysis usually falls apart. In general, however, wouldn't the only conclusive proof of paternity be through a DNA test? Like on the Jeremy Kyle show? 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
AJBates |
8. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 27 2011, 10:36 AM EDT
"In general, however, wouldn't the only conclusive proof of paternity be through a DNA test? Like on the Jeremy Kyle show? "Yeah I think that would be the only way to clear it up. Most likely she might just being saying how Letticitea (I know that's not her name but I'm to lazy to look up the correct spelling I just woke up :) ) and Elisabeth was more then just cousins, and the rumors. But, frankly regardless of if Mary Boleyn's first two children were Henry's or William Carey's doesn't it mean something that he never acknowledged them regardless? He had no use for them even if they were his. And no one could really know since she was married at the time unlike Bessie Blount. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
Anne'sCurls |
9. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 27 2011, 4:08 PM EDT
I have a hard time believing anyone has "important information" about a anything if they are only going to release it in a book THEY wrote. If it was really such a big deal you would state it immediately and without any call for money.
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juliana-angela |
10. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 27 2011, 5:19 PM EDT
""Ploy" being the operative word.Can you imagine Henry and all his wives and mistresses participating in the Jeremy Kyle show? It would have to be an extra long episode... Do you find this valuable? |
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royalfalcon |
11. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 27 2011, 5:42 PM EDT
"Can you imagine Henry and all his wives and mistresses participating in the Jeremy Kyle show? It would have to be an extra long episode..."LOL Now that I would love to see Juliane-angela !! Do you find this valuable? |
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juliana-angela |
12. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 27 2011, 6:46 PM EDT
"LOL Now that I would love to see Juliane-angela !!"Yes, you can imagine Katherine of Aragon and Anne Boleyn standing at opposite ends of the stage making snide remarks about one another, whilst Bessie Blount and Mary Boleyn tear out each other's hair and Henry explains earnestly to Jeremy about his search for the ideal wife.... 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
lettice |
13. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 28 2011, 6:53 PM EDT
"Alison Weir has been busy writing a new book called..."Mary Boleyn: The Great and Infamous Wh0re" which is due to be released later this year. In a recent article she wrote :Interesting, but I'll only be convinced with DNA proof. There was speculation about Thomas Jefferson being the father of his slave, Sally Hemming's, children. It wasn';t until both descendants of Jefferson & Hemmings gave DNA samples that it was proven true. It only took 300 years which is a drop in the bucket compared to speculation regarding Henry & Mary Boleyn. Get out the swabs! Test the descendants! Are there any? Do you find this valuable? |
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juliana-angela |
14. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 29 2011, 7:58 AM EDT
"Interesting, but I'll only be convinced with DNA proof.There are certainly descendants of Mary Boleyn, but I don't think that there are any definite descendants of Henry, since Mary, Elizabeth, Edward and Henry Fitzroy all died childless. Unless the DNA of the descendants of Henry's sister Margaret would provide answers? I don't know enough about the science involved to be sure. Do you find this valuable? |
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lettice |
15. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 30 2011, 8:26 AM EDT
"There are certainly descendants of Mary Boleyn, but I don't think that there are any definite descendants of Henry, since Mary, Elizabeth, Edward and Henry Fitzroy all died childless.Yes DNA of descendents of Henry's siblings would work, so let's get Margaret's descendants! Do you find this valuable? |
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juliana-angela |
16. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 30 2011, 9:13 AM EDT
"Yes DNA of descendents of Henry's siblings would work, so let's get Margaret's descendants!"I suppose it would only work with Mary Boleyn's descendants if they hadn't intermarried with the descendants of Margaret Tudor, which a fair number of them probably have... Do you find this valuable? |
freya9 |
17. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 30 2011, 9:53 AM EDT
If one or both of Mary's children had been Henry's I think he would have given Mary's husband some sort of reward at their birth for having to raise a child/children not his own. As far as I can remember this didn't occur. (Although it has been a while since I've read about Mary so I could be wrong).
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AJBates |
18. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
Apr 30 2011, 10:53 AM EDT
I think William Carey did get elevated a few times, the same as Thomas Boleyn but the problem is that's when Anne's star was rising when they were born so it could have been for either.
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LaOriental |
19. RE: Evidence that Henry VIII fathered Mary Boleyn's children?
May 3 2011, 8:07 PM EDT
Interesting discussion and of course very tantalizing...I guess I am naive and was gung ho about getting the book. A. Weir is a good writer and I am currently enjoying "Henry VIII The King And His Court". You all sound very skeptical and I appreciate your caution. Are there any other historians that have weighed in on this subject??
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