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royalfalcon |
The End of an Era
Apr 2 2011, 6:15 PM EDT
We have just seen the very last episode of The Tudors here in the U.K and I I thought it was amazing and so beautiful. My close friend Anne (Kittywake) and I have been discussing each episode of Season 4 amongst ourselves because we were aware that most members here had already seen it in their Countries.. I want to comment now though,. I would like to thank everybody that has been involved in the making of The Tudors, all the actors, the production team, Joan Bergin for her wonderful costumes and most of all to Jonathan for giving us a unique Henry that will stay forever in my memory. Just as well I have all the DVD's so I can watch it over again..
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MsSquirrly |
1. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 2 2011, 9:16 PM EDT
It really did all come together, didn't it? The music is one thing that I really think stood out to make it a quality show and I agree, along with the costumes, the production team and the actors. When I first started watching, I really thought I would hate it because of choosing an actor who didn't look like the Holbein paintings.....but JRM won me over. I understood what the creators of the show were trying to do after I watched a couple of episodes. It was a different interpretation and really there is no interpretation that is 100% accurate since we don't have all the information. I looked forward to each new season and its sad its over but it seems like there are lots of new books and a great deal more interest in the Tudor era which can only be a good thing!
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royalfalcon |
2. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 3 2011, 5:37 AM EDT
I realize that I accidently omitted the music from my original post., it was wonderful and truly added to the atmosphere. I also meant to add that I went to a talk given by Michael Hirst last Thursday at Hampton Court Palace. It was very interesting and at the end he answered questions for about half an hour. He confirmed that there are no plans for a new series continuing the Tudor dynasty. I know that he had already stated this at the talk he gave at The Mary Rose Museum in Portsmouth.
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Kittywake09 |
3. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 3 2011, 5:51 AM EDT
I am in fact still weepy. It was a wonderful finale and I am so pleased I had the willpower to not watch either online or the DVD which I have !! The scene between Henry and Charles his laying his hands on his oldest friend and commanding as King to heal him was magnificent, the flashback to his queens and his own moments and events superb, the actors I cannot praise enough although some which I thought were badly cast, the costumes were divine, the music touched your soul. It has been a wonderful series and if it gets viewers reading and researching Tudor history that in itself is a result.4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
LadyTudorsFan |
4. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 3 2011, 5:18 PM EDT
I thought it was a brilliant episode, especially the way Henry had visions of his first three wives! I'm surprised though Henry didn't see his wives more often complaining at him lol, particularly Anne Boleyn.......:)
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KingHenryVIII |
5. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 3 2011, 5:52 PM EDT
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I didn't like the last episode at all, especially those visions of the wifes. If they would have at least said something nice but all just went at him like mad beasts, that is just extremely unrealistic in my eyes, I doubt they would have said such mean words, really. And even if they would have, there was no need to portray it like that in the show. I was quite aggressive after that episode, but what shall I do, I certainly will not waste a look on it again, besides the fact it makes me sad if I would. It was just very Anti-Henry, that certain episode.
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MsSquirrly |
6. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 3 2011, 6:13 PM EDT
"I didn't like the last episode at all, especially those visions of the wifes. If they would have at least said something nice but all just went at him like mad beasts, that is just extremely unrealistic in my eyes, I doubt they would have said such mean words, really. And even if they would have, there was no need to portray it like that in the show. I was quite aggressive after that episode, but what shall I do, I certainly will not waste a look on it again, besides the fact it makes me sad if I would. It was just very Anti-Henry, that certain episode."I could understand that Katherine and Anne would have been mad at Henry.....but I didn't understand why Jane would have been. It was not his fault that his son would die young. The things Katherine said would have been what I could imagine she would say and Anne too. After all these were Henry's visions and probably his conscience talking to him. However, I doubt he really did have a conscience about what he did to his wives but it made for good drama. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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royalfalcon |
7. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 3 2011, 6:59 PM EDT
I thought it was such a moving episode and I did not see it as being anti Henry. I loved the symbolic white horse and Jonathan appearing looking young again was my favourite moment from the episode. I also found it very touching when Henry tried to heal his best friend Charles Brandon. The wives coming back was interesting but not my favourite moment. For me this episode was mainly about Henry and that seemed somehow right and fitting..
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thorned_rose84 |
8. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 3 2011, 7:52 PM EDT
It was heartbreaking to see the series end! I downloaded them from itunes so anytime I want a peek I can skip to any episode and enjoy :)I loved the last episode. I was expecting to see Henry's death scene, and I didnt really like the way it left off with him looking at the painting, but it was fine. So he saw his first three (dead) wives. I liked Katharine's creepy reminder that she was still his true wife. Anne came across as, well, Anne, except I thought she couldve been a tad meaner to Henry. I wonder though that Jane was the only one to tell the future (her son's early death). I wouldve liked to see Catherine Howard's ghost, maybe teasing him about his old age or something. p.s. There is a slight wardrobe malfunction near the end of episode 10.... I didnt catch on to it til last nite. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Kittywake09 |
9. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 4 2011, 3:41 AM EDT
It is Monday morning and am still moved by the episode. It was superb. The effects of the leaves fallling and starry sky was wonderful and seeing Henry in his prime was wonderful. The unveiling on Henry's portrait was a brilliant touch, loved it, loved it.
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royalfalcon |
10. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 4 2011, 4:03 AM EDT
"It is Monday morning and am still moved by the episode. It was superb. The effects of the leaves fallling and starry sky was wonderful and seeing Henry in his prime was wonderful. The unveiling on Henry's portrait was a brilliant touch, loved it, loved it."I feel exactly the same. It was so moving it will stay with me as such a special ending to a great series. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Englishsetter |
11. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 4 2011, 11:35 AM EDT
I agree - I felt that the last episode was brilliant - It is an ending that I will never forget - For me, it was a superb ending for a superb series. It will always be one of my favorites.
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Kittywake09 |
12. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 4 2011, 1:03 PM EDT
Still sad about it Englishsetter, keep hugging the DVD !!! marathon coming on !!
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HeverRose |
13. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 4 2011, 1:35 PM EDT
Hi guys, i have been reading your posts...I just wanted to share with you that I never watched the last episode because i did not want to be so sad. I also never watched Cromwell's execution at the end of Season Three. So in my little deluded imagination, Cromwell is still alive and the show is not over. Yes, i do know the difference between reality and fantasy, but my way of letting important things go is to not let go until enough time passes where it doesn't hurt anymore and then i can face it.I never abruptly end anything. Since the show has been over for a year here in the US, perhaps I will now go and watch the last episode. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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royalfalcon |
14. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 4 2011, 2:28 PM EDT
HeverRose I could not watch some of the executions - and yes Cromwell's was certainly one I couldn't view. . However, I had to see the last episode of this series. I knew it was not going to end with Henry's death because Michael Hirst had said as much when he came to talk about The Tudors at Hampton Court - which Ironically was just two days before the series ended in the U.K. I do feel depressed that it has finished, I just comfort myself that at least I have all the DVD's and will start watching them from the very first series very soon. LOL I will still shoot off to put the kettle on when there are executions. Strangely I could watch Anne Boleyn's execution because although very sad it was done in such a way that it was not gruesome somehow.
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HeverRose |
15. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 4 2011, 3:02 PM EDT
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Thank you Royalfalcon. i am so glad I am not the only one who is a bit sensitive here. Interestingly, Anne's execution did not really "disturb" me either. Maybe that is because we have seen it so many times before in other productions and we know going in that she will die and so we accept her as a tragic heroine ( I wrote a paper in college about Anne Boleyn as tragic herioine in the Greek meaning of the term) . The Cromwell representation was a real shift in my perspective and knowledge about him and so I related to him as a person and then could not accept his end.
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Kittywake09 |
16. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 4 2011, 4:51 PM EDT
"Hi guys, i have been reading your posts...I just wanted to share with you that I never watched the last episode because i did not want to be so sad. I also never watched Cromwell's execution at the end of Season Three. So in my little deluded imagination, Cromwell is still alive and the show is not over. <BR sab="739"><BR sab="740">Yes, i do know the difference between reality and fantasy, but my way of letting important things go is to not let go until enough time passes where it doesn't hurt anymore and then i can face it.I never abruptly end anything.<BR sab="741"><BR sab="742">Since the show has been over for a year here in the US, perhaps I will now go and watch the last episode. <BR sab="743"><BR sab="744">"Hi HeverRose Royalfalcon and I made a pact not to watch online and experience at the same time so spent a lot of time thread dodging or image dodging. We both had the DVD but waited until it was aired and so glad we did. It was something we shared together and you will know when the time is for you to view. We giggle because we have the DVD hugging it yet waited !!!! 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
ravenhair |
17. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 4 2011, 4:52 PM EDT
"Thank you Royalfalcon. i am so glad I am not the only one who is a bit sensitive here. Interestingly, Anne's execution did not really "disturb" me either. Maybe that is because we have seen it so many times before in other productions and we know going in that she will die and so we accept her as a tragic heroine ( I wrote a paper in college about Anne Boleyn as tragic herioine in the Greek meaning of the term) . The Cromwell representation was a real shift in my perspective and knowledge about him and so I related to him as a person and then could not accept his end. "Hello my dear ,sweet family !!:-) I am so sad that this GREAT SERIES had to come to an end . I loved ever moment of it , all the characters ,the actors were so very talented and brought each role to life in a way that no other could have . The music fit the moments so wonderfully . But I think the best part about this great and wonderful series was becoming apart of the loving and caring wiki family that we are all apart of . For so long , we have been apart of each others lives ,and this series was the reason that I have grown to love and admire you all so much .The series may be over , but in my heart it will live forever because I have all of you as my beautiful wiki family .I love you guys Always ,Ravenhair 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Apr 4 2011, 4:56 PM EDT
I do agree with you Ravenhair!!! I truly miss the series and that it has ended but,we can take from this wiki many beautiful friendships and the sites that have grown from this site among them The Borgias Wiki,The Camelot Wiki,The Romanovs,Queen Anne's College,The Harem of O'Hara,& JRM'S Corner!! Just to name a few that I am aware of all started by and hold membership of those who are members here!!!
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LadyTudorsFan |
19. RE: The End of an Era
Apr 4 2011, 5:40 PM EDT
"I thought it was such a moving episode and I did not see it as being anti Henry. I loved the symbolic white horse and Jonathan appearing looking young again was my favourite moment from the episode. I also found it very touching when Henry tried to heal his best friend Charles Brandon. The wives coming back was interesting but not my favourite moment. For me this episode was mainly about Henry and that seemed somehow right and fitting.. "Yeah I thought that was rather symbolic and clever with the horse and young Henry and it was also really moving on how he was trying to heal his best mate Charles Brandon! That he couldn't could be interpreted as Henry "losing" his power too. They always end on a major dramatic scene. In series 1, Cardinal Wolsey kiled himself (although in real life he got ill and died on the way to the Tower). In series 2, Anne Boleyn was executed which I thought was really handled well as I thought it was very historically accurate and it almost made me cry, especially the way her father pretty much deserted her and it reflected back on her as a little girl. Then, series 3 ended with Cromwell's execution which was gruesome, but not that far away from the truth - in real life, even though the executioner was not actually drunk, he was very inexperienced, so it was not a particularly nice way to go! I agree that the music soundtrack was the best! In terms of favourite actor and actress, I Iiked James Frain's portrayal of Cromwell as I thought it showed both sides of the story. Cromwell is always portrayed in most dramas as some pantomine villain appearing now and in the shadows, but here I think we saw a hint of why he did the things he did. I also thought Joanna King's portrayal of Lady Rochford was good. She is one of history's grey characters I think - what she did was wrong, but you kind of got a hint of how she ended up going onto that path, that eventually led to her own fall. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
