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ConnieMarcantel	21. RE: Tudor descendant Nov 3 2011, 12:40 PM EDT Then Katheryn u are related to me thru the Howards and also thru marriage to the Boone's as my ex husband is a so many gr grandson of Daniel Boone. They had moved to Louisiana ...oops they are THE Daniel Boone family! The Boones were also in Va at one point because I found a family document that mentioned them in my family documents! And at the time they were in Indian territory as the Whitten fort is still there built in 1700's. As a Howard the odds are u are related to Thomas Howard who was indeed married (per Princess Diana's research)to Margaret Douglas and she listed at Syon Abbey her son by him as an only heir. He died in the tower. Of course this was all hush hush for centuries since the royals do not like their dirty laundry viewed! Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
juliana-angela	22. RE: Tudor descendant Nov 3 2011, 3:42 PM EDT \| Post edited: Nov 3 2011, 3:42 PM EDT "Then Katheryn u are related to me thru the Howards and also thru marriage to the Boone's as my ex husband is a so many gr grandson of Daniel Boone. As a Howard the odds are u are related to Thomas Howard who was indeed married (per Princess Diana's research)to Margaret Douglas and she listed at Syon Abbey her son by him as an only heir. He died in the tower. Of course this was all hush hush for centuries since the royals do not like their dirty laundry viewed! " I would like to see a proper reference to this alleged Will, as the only children of Margaret who are known to have survived to adulthood are Henry Lord Darnley and Lord Charles Stuart by her marriage to Matthew Stuart Earl of Lennox. Magaret became secretly engaged to Lord Thomas Howard, son of the Duke of Norfolk, at the end of 1535. When King Henry found out in July 1536, he was furious, particularly as Margaret was technically his heir at that point, and sent the couple to the Tower. Even if Margaret had secretly married Thomas, the marriage would have been invalid without the King's consent. In the event, she was quick to disentangle herself from the relationship and swear that she was a virgin. She was released from the Tower a year later, but Thomas died there of fever in the same year. It is difficult to believe that there would not have been contemporary gossip if Margaret had really fallen pregnant by Thomas, but there is no record of this. And wouldn't the Catholic Howards have pushed any such child forward as a potential heir, especially at the time of Norfolk's rebellion against Elizabeth I? Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ConnieMarcantel	23. RE: Tudor descendant Nov 3 2011, 4:06 PM EDT \| Post edited: Nov 3 2011, 4:06 PM EDT Will try to find the information that I copied regarding her listing Robert Howard as her only heir on her will at Syon Abbey. Because so many have traced family history I have books on the stuff filling 2 big dresser drawers and do not have organized as I should have yet. Apparently the DAR feels like it is legit as they told me that my ancestors, the Whittens of SC...thru Charity Duckett are throne related...but there are several links Post reply Do you find this valuable?
juliana-angela	24. RE: Tudor descendant Nov 3 2011, 5:25 PM EDT \| Post edited: Nov 3 2011, 5:30 PM EDT "Will try to find the information that I copied regarding her listing Robert Howard as her only heir on her will at Syon Abbey. Because so many have traced family history I have books on the stuff filling 2 big dresser drawers and do not have organized as I should have yet. Apparently the DAR feels like it is legit as they told me that my ancestors, the Whittens of SC...thru Charity Duckett are throne related...but there are several links" You may well have some royal blood. Regardless of any connection with Margaret Douglas, if you are descended from the Norfolk Howards, Edward I would be your ancestor. It wouldn't be rare, though, as the historian Ian Mortimer estimated that over 80% of people of English ancestry are descended from Edward III, so there must be even more descended from Edward I. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
suziestree	25. RE: Tudor descendant Nov 3 2011, 7:29 PM EDT \| Post edited: Nov 3 2011, 7:29 PM EDT It owuld be great if proof of royal lineage would give up discounts at WalMart and such !! But just knowing is great. And CARING to search and find out is magical , ina way. You find out so much on the trail of family. Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ConnieMarcantel	26. RE: Tudor descendant Nov 4 2011, 8:55 AM EDT \| Post edited: Nov 4 2011, 8:55 AM EDT "It owuld be great if proof of royal lineage would give up discounts at WalMart and such !! But just knowing is great. And CARING to search and find out is magical , ina way. You find out so much on the trail of family." I am happy enough to find out for my mother before she passed...she actually resembled the current queen mother and both my boys and my sisters boys resemble Prince William and several other royals with lighter hair....strange because we are related thru different line and of that I am sure since the Daughters of the American Revolution has confirmed the lineage and they do not do anything lightly. Post reply 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
suziestree	27. RE: Tudor descendant Nov 4 2011, 11:29 AM EDT That's all that really counts. Connie. I, myself am not trying to elevate myself by stating my royal lineage and neither are you, apparently. It is just important for us to acknowlege our ancestors and leave it at that. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
ConnieMarcantel	28. RE: Tudor descendant Nov 4 2011, 12:53 PM EDT "That's all that really counts. Connie. I, myself am not trying to elevate myself by stating my royal lineage and neither are you, apparently. It is just important for us to acknowlege our ancestors and leave it at that." NOt trying to elevate either just amazed that family goes back so far...on Ridenhour side (gr grandmother) to the 700's Switzerland Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
suziestree	29. RE: Tudor descendant Nov 4 2011, 2:25 PM EDT \| Post edited: Nov 4 2011, 2:25 PM EDT So, we agree on the fascination fo finding how far our lines go. We do not care about invitations to royal weddings, etc, right??? lol I am currently working o y Hicks/Hix line, hoping that we possibly hook up with Robert Hicks who was a leading member of Plymoi=uth Bay Colony and desc of Sir Ellis Hicks. Our Hicks line line merged with the Morrells in about mid 1700's in Virginia, USA. Just finding WHICH Morrell is very frustrating. Do you have similar stumbling blocks? Post reply Do you find this valuable?
KatherynHoward	30. RE: Tudor descendant Nov 5 2011, 4:51 PM EDT \| Post edited: Nov 12 2011, 2:40 PM EST "Then Katheryn u are related to me thru the Howards and also thru marriage to the Boone's as my ex husband is a so many gr grandson of Daniel Boone. They had moved to Louisiana ...oops they are THE Daniel Boone family! The Boones were also in Va at one point because I found a family document that mentioned them in my family documents! And at the time they were in Indian territory as the Whitten fort is still there built in 1700's. As a Howard the odds are u are related to Thomas Howard who was indeed married (per Princess Diana's research)to Margaret Douglas and she listed at Syon Abbey her son by him as an only heir. He died in the tower. Of course this was all hush hush for centuries since the royals do not like their dirty laundry viewed! " I was not born a Howard, but I have always had a soft spot for Katheryn Howard. Gov. West of Virginia was the ggrandson of Mary Boleyn (Elizabeth Howard, Mary Boleyn, Katheryn Carey, Anne Knollys, John West). I am descended from this line on both sides - straight down the West side to my paternal grandmother and through Dandridges, Redds, Daltons, etc. on my maternal side . I am also descended from Thomas Culpepper's Uncle Thomas on my maternal side. I am sure I am also descended from Thomas the baker, Ananais the goldsmith, Sian the shepherd and his wife Gwyn, too. Boones - eh, that is one of those shady lines. May never know exactly which Boones my paternal grandfather's mother came from. I am a DAR and UDC member, but don't tie into the Robert Howard DAR line (that I know of). Why would the DAR need you to go back to Tudor times? It is hard enough to get back to the Rev. War. I always assumed Mary Boleyn's Carey children were Careys because the portraits look similar. But, we may never know. Post reply 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
LadyTudorsFan	31. RE: Tudor descendant Nov 6 2011, 12:11 PM EST "You may well have some royal blood. Regardless of any connection with Margaret Douglas, if you are descended from the Norfolk Howards, Edward I would be your ancestor. It wouldn't be rare, though, as the historian Ian Mortimer estimated that over 80% of people of English ancestry are descended from Edward III, so there must be even more descended from Edward I." Following that, I think it would be pretty special to find the 20% that are not descended from Edward III. They're becoming quite rare now and definitely deserve a discount at Matalan. Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
GoldenAged.ER	32. RE: Tudor descendant Nov 22 2011, 4:15 PM EST I can speak for myself as I had the same issue in researching genealogy. People apparently thought that Lady Margaret had a son by Thomas Howard and that he somehow he had descendants that made it to the east coast of America. It's not so. There is no proof that Lady Margaret had a son by either Howard and you can look that up in the genealogy books along with biographies of Lady Margaret. It's a wonderful story -- but wishful thinking. So here is a link to one site which has disproven all of this -- http://home.netcom.com/~fzsaund/howarddoug.html -- another one, http://books.google.com/books?id=0borAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA135&dq=lady+margaret+douglas&hl=en&ei=-g7MTv_QHIbX0QHF0Jw2&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBjgK#v=onepage&q=lady%20margaret%20douglas&f=false -- and here is the official entry from the Dictionary of National Biography which is one of the most authoritative sources out there. So if you don't find it in there, sorry. http://books.google.com/books?id=0dspAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA343&dq=earl+of+lennox+stuart+margaret+douglas&hl=en&ei=ERDMTqzfHaXf0QGl3qxL&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=8&ved=0CFAQ6AEwBzge#v=onepage&q=earl%20of%20lennox%20stuart%20margaret%20douglas&f=false Post reply Do you find this valuable?
TansyUduri	33. RE: Tudor descendant Mar 25 2012, 5:32 PM EDT their names would not necessarily be Boleyn/Carey you can be decended through a daughter too Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
suziestree	34. RE: Tudor descendant Mar 25 2012, 10:22 PM EDT I think that we have corresponded before, but I am just now catching on to the 'Owen. He was the 1/2 brother of my ancestor Sir Jasper Tudor. so you and I are cousins..... I wonder how many generations that is ?lol Way too many, right? But we BOTH have that DNA running through us. Wouldn'i it be great to go back as a'fly on the wall' ( and hope we didn't get swatted ???) and see some of the goingson? Just a 'peek. Suzanne Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
suziestree	35. RE: Tudor descendant Mar 25 2012, 10:39 PM EDT Verrrrrry interesting. I did not know that, Thank you. Are you English, by any chance? Or his your knowledge from studying English royyalty by way os the USA?? It doesn't relly matter one way or another,. I'm just nosy...... By the way, I have just discovered with the help of others, that I am a descendant of Henry, II and Eleanor of Aquitaine through their daughter, Eleanor who married Alphnso VIII of Castile, who in turn was , I believe, a great grandson of El Cid. Here we go again !!!! My kids just roll their eyes at me nd ay' Mom,. we're all related to everyone through Eve." My reply that at least we can pont to some ours in history that many people have heard of. , Jeez. I am very proud of the hardships that my 4x great grandfather, William Morrell Hicks went through to help develpo southern Indiana back in the very early 1800's; however only our family knows that.. How many have bee fortunate enough to trace back opur lines to pre 1000 A. D. You had to have some prominence in order for the important dates of your lives to be recorded, right?? Sure, it's in the past, but isn't there a quote that goes something like this, 'we all are who we once were." ? the knowledge won't change our lives one bit, but we KNOW. Suzanne Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
suziestree	36. RE: Tudor descendant Mar 25 2012, 10:41 PM EDT I love this post! Suzanne Post reply Do you find this valuable?
livingtutor	37. RE: Tudor descendant Aug 17 2012, 2:08 AM EDT I have that Jasper's daughter was Joan tutor married to Morgan Williams..... Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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