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MasterCulpepper	What was Culpeppers court title Mar 4 2011, 12:33 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 4 2011, 12:43 AM EST I know he was just a mere groom to the King but would he have still been referred to as "My Lord" or was it just "Master" "Mr" or "Sir"? Since I have taken on his person I hope I was considered a higher status than a peasant in court. hehe Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you? Keyword tags: Anne Boleyn archbishop of canterbury cardinal Count Countess Duchess duke Duke of Norfolk Duke of Suffolk Earl Earl of Ormonde Earl of Wiltshire Henry VIII Holy Roman Emperor king King Henry VIII King's secretary Lady Lady Anne Rochford Lady Jane Rochford Lord Lord Chancellor Marchioness of Pembroke Nobility Peerage prince princess queen Queen Consort Queen Katherine of Aragon Showtime The Tudors titles
InfatuatedintheUS	1. RE: What was Culpeppers court title Mar 4 2011, 12:44 AM EST i swear the king called him "boy," but others called him the King's groom. He was not nobility or even gentry obviously so wouldn't have any meaningful title by any stretch. I'm no expert, but this is what I remember from the show, and have learned from my studies. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MasterCulpepper	2. RE: What was Culpeppers court title Mar 4 2011, 2:26 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 4 2011, 2:26 AM EST I remember the King refer to him as"boy" in The Tudors also but I read that he was known as "Sir Thomas Culpepper",and that he was one of the Kings favorites. He probably didn't have much authority except maybe to those outside of the court. Oh well, you can't have everything I suppose. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
KingHenryVIII	3. RE: What was Culpeppers court title Mar 4 2011, 5:55 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 4 2011, 5:55 AM EST Yes he was Henry's favourite, he was the one resting by the end of his bed for a few years. They had some kind of "close" relationship, at least closer than with Henry to the other grooms. And he allowed and granted him a lot of things that he would not let through with other grooms. He had no title or any the like, so it was the usual phrase that someone uses with whatever kind of man of no status. Mr. They also left the title at all with men of that kind. So "boy" is not that unusual. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
InfatuatedintheUS	4. RE: What was Culpeppers court title Mar 4 2011, 8:00 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 4 2011, 8:00 PM EST i was wrong. he was a cousin 6 times removed from the howards. and he had a benefactor. and i guess his family did have some title or other. i read about it here under his character. i don't think peasants could be at court to serve the king according to The Great Chain of Being. but i again don't know for sure. i will study up. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MasterCulpepper	5. RE: What was Culpeppers court title Mar 5 2011, 8:02 PM EST \| Post edited: Mar 5 2011, 8:04 PM EST "i was wrong. he was a cousin 6 times removed from the howards. and he had a benefactor. and i guess his family did have some title or other. i read about it here under his character. i don't think peasants could be at court to serve the king according to The Great Chain of Being. but i again don't know for sure. i will study up." Well I'm still learning about this Culpepper chap myself. He seemed to be a more minor character and so there's not as much info on him than the others in the Court at that time. No, from what I can make out from what I've read and been informed he wasn't a peasant as such, and you are correct that he wouldn't have been in Court if he had been. Just call me "Sir". I will content with that :)) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
AJBates	6. RE: What was Culpeppers court title Mar 5 2011, 11:11 PM EST He certainly was noble, and I'm pretty sure that being one of Henry's groom was a highly coveted position because they were allowed to touch the King's body. Culpepper was the favorite in that position and normally attended to the King's Leg. He may not have been knighted but the Culpepper's were related to other noble familys as well as the Howards. I think they are related through Culpepper's mother. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Nofretete	7. RE: What was Culpeppers court title Mar 6 2011, 3:57 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 6 2011, 3:57 AM EST He would have been addressed as 'Master Culpepper', not Sir or Lord. To be called Sir you had to have been knighted by the king. Perhaps his father was a Sir, but the 'title' was not inheritable. If his father was one, he would have been considered gentry though. Lord was only a title for the male offspring of nobility or someone with a peerage themselves. The king certainly did not employ peasants from the street as his grooms, you had to have very good connections at court to get such a position as groom or even page. Culpepper was favoured by the king, but he was not the one who slept with him in his room, btw, that was the Groom of the Stool, I think, and at the time Culpepper was in Henry's service, the Groom of the Stool was Sir Anthony Denny. Post reply 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
KingHenryVIII	8. RE: What was Culpeppers court title Mar 6 2011, 7:52 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 6 2011, 7:52 AM EST "He certainly was noble, and I'm pretty sure that being one of Henry's groom was a highly coveted position because they were allowed to touch the King's body. -------- Culpepper was favoured by the king, but he was not the one who slept with him in his room, btw, that was the Groom of the Stool, I think, and at the time Culpepper was in Henry's service, the Groom of the Stool was Sir Anthony Denny." First @AJBates The grooms were in NO case allowed to touch the King in any way. Only the Gentlemen of the bedchamber were allowed to do so. Second @Nofretete The Groom of the Stool was the chief Gentlemen, mostly two, that kept the place sweet and clean, they often became manager of the privy chamber and privy purse as well. And they as well did in no case sleep by the King's bed. Post reply 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MasterCulpepper	9. RE: What was Culpeppers court title Mar 6 2011, 11:06 PM EST "He would have been addressed as 'Master Culpepper', not Sir or Lord. To be called Sir you had to have been knighted by the king. Perhaps his father was a Sir, but the 'title' was not inheritable. If his father was one, he would have been considered gentry though. Lord was only a title for the male offspring of nobility or someone with a peerage themselves. The king certainly did not employ peasants from the street as his grooms, you had to have very good connections at court to get such a position as groom or even page. Culpepper was favoured by the king, but he was not the one who slept with him in his room, btw, that was the Groom of the Stool, I think, and at the time Culpepper was in Henry's service, the Groom of the Stool was Sir Anthony Denny." Whe I read up about him it says different things. It claims he was a groom (not groom of the stool though), and then I've also read that he was a type of secretary as well as groom. I've come to the conclusion he maybe did various duties. At least he didn't have the lousey job of stool groom. He just seemed to tend to the King and did various duties. He never slept in his room no, and the only time he had any physical contact was when he dressed Henrys leg wounds. That was shown in The Tudors, and also confirms it in what I read. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Nofretete	10. RE: What was Culpeppers court title Mar 7 2011, 2:59 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 7 2011, 2:59 AM EST "Second @Nofretete The Groom of the Stool was the chief Gentlemen, mostly two, that kept the place sweet and clean, they often became manager of the privy chamber and privy purse as well. And they as well did in no case sleep by the King's bed. " Yes the Groom of the Stool was as the name says responsible for the 'close stool' (and the privy purse). There were not two of them however and no one actually slept IN the king's bed, his nightly attendants slept either on a pallet beside the bed or in an adjoining room. It is said of Henry Norris, who was the Groom of the Stool between 1526 and 1536, that he slept in a room with the king. However else would the Groom of the Stool be ready to attend the king when he wanted to visit his close stool? By yelling all through the next room for the groom of the stool to come? I can recommend a little book called 'Life in a Tudor Palace' for who was responsible for what in the king's privy chamber. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MasterCulpepper	11. RE: What was Culpeppers court title Mar 7 2011, 3:30 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 7 2011, 3:44 AM EST "Yes the Groom of the Stool was as the name says responsible for the 'close stool' (and the privy purse). There were not two of them however and no one actually slept IN the king's bed, his nightly attendants slept either on a pallet beside the bed or in an adjoining room. It is said of Henry Norris, who was the Groom of the Stool between 1526 and 1536, that he slept in a room with the king. However else would the Groom of the Stool be ready to attend the king when he wanted to visit his close stool? By yelling all through the next room for the groom of the stool to come? I can recommend a little book called 'Life in a Tudor Palace' for who was responsible for what in the king's privy chamber." "However else would the Groom of the Stool be ready to attend the king when he wanted to visit his close stool? By yelling all through the next room for the groom of the stool to come"? I understand what you mean and they probably did have to sleep very close to the King because they had everything done for them. Personally though there are some occasions where you need a bit of privacy and had I been King I would have rather done that for myself LOL. In the first series of The Tudors Henry was doing something else that I would also consider personal but he even had an attendant for that (I'm surprised the BBC didn't cut that out), so yes it's believable that he would have had someone close by attending to his toileting needs at all times. Just makes you think that being royalty isn't all enjoyable :) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
KingHenryVIII	12. RE: What was Culpeppers court title Mar 7 2011, 8:53 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 7 2011, 8:56 AM EST "Yes the Groom of the Stool was as the name says responsible for the 'close stool' (and the privy purse). There were not two of them however and no one actually slept IN the king's bed, his nightly attendants slept either on a pallet beside the bed or in an adjoining room. It is said of Henry Norris, who was the Groom of the Stool between 1526 and 1536, that he slept in a room with the king. However else would the Groom of the Stool be ready to attend the king when he wanted to visit his close stool? By yelling all through the next room for the groom of the stool to come? I can recommend a little book called 'Life in a Tudor Palace' for who was responsible for what in the king's privy chamber." I had said "by" the King's bed not In. I was talking of the Chief Gentlemen, those were two by that time and they did not sleep in the King's bedchamber and the Groom of the Stool definitly did not either; their chamber was right to the King's bedchamber; in Hampton Court, for example, that would have been to the left, mostly a little cold and narrow chamber with only beds if all, sometimes there weren't even beds. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
KingHenryVIII	13. RE: What was Culpeppers court title Mar 7 2011, 8:55 AM EST \| Post edited: Mar 7 2011, 8:55 AM EST "In the first series of The Tudors Henry was doing something else that I would also consider personal but he even had an attendant for that (I'm surprised the BBC didn't cut that out), so yes it's believable that he would have had someone close by attending to his toileting needs at all times. Just makes you think that being royalty isn't all enjoyable :)" Yes, as weird as that sounds Henry was not "allowed" to do that all by himself; they had to attend him and even stay very close to catch the royal sperm; rather amusing. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?

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