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Elliemental
Elliemental
The Bird that flew through the hall at the end. (Spoilers!)
Jun 21 2010, 11:19 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 21 2010, 11:19 PM EDT
Right at the end of episode ten, just when Henry was looking at his portrait, did anyone notice that a little bird flew through the hall, very quickly. In one window and out the other?

Well, there was a lot more to it than that. Found this interesting snippet:

"When we compare the present life of man on earth to that time of which we have no knowledge, it seems to me like the swift flight of a single sparrow through the banqueting hall where you are sitting at dinner on a winter's day with your thanes and counsellors. In the midst there is a comforting fire to warm the hall; outside, the storms of winter rain or snow are raging. This sparrow flies swiftly in through one door of the hall, and out through another. While he is inside, he is safe from the winter storms; but after a few moments of comfort, he vanishes from sight into the wintry world from which he came. Even so, man appears on earth for a little while; but of what went before this life or of what follows, we know nothing."

It was advice given to King Edwin of Northunbria, by one of his councillors after being visited by early Christian missionaries in the seventh century. So interesting parallels with Henry there. Both changing religion and bringing in new learning!
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Elliemental
Elliemental
1. RE: The Bird that flew through the hall at the end. (Spoilers!)
Jun 21 2010, 11:34 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 21 2010, 11:34 PM EDT
I have just realised that Henry quotes this whole passage at the start, but I was too distracted by the damn horses weird, flailing legs to fully notice! Do you find this valuable?    
TheLadyNatalie
TheLadyNatalie
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Jun 22 2010, 1:13 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2010, 1:13 AM EDT
I absolutely love all the symbolism in this episode... I didn't notice that though! I'm now scanning the scene trying to find it (:

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Nofretete
Nofretete
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Jun 22 2010, 6:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2010, 6:11 AM EDT
"I have just realised that Henry quotes this whole passage at the start, but I was too distracted by the damn horses weird, flailing legs to fully notice!"
Oh thank God you noticed the weird flailing as well, I was soooo distracted by that too!!
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periwimkle
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Jun 22 2010, 6:25 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2010, 6:25 AM EDT
"Oh thank God you noticed the weird flailing as well, I was soooo distracted by that too!!"
Why would that distract you? That`s how horses run when they feel free; head and tail held high, not being burdened by a rider. I thought it was beautiful.
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Nofretete
Nofretete
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Jun 22 2010, 6:42 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2010, 6:42 AM EDT
"Why would that distract you? That`s how horses run when they feel free; head and tail held high, not being burdened by a rider. I thought it was beautiful. "
It looked weird in slow mo to me and out of place with what was being said. It looked kind of funny and hilarious, not at all what the words were conveying.
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Elliemental
Elliemental
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Jun 22 2010, 7:56 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2010, 7:56 AM EDT
"It looked weird in slow mo to me and out of place with what was being said. It looked kind of funny and hilarious, not at all what the words were conveying. "
For me its' the strange angle of its' hind legs. It just looked bizarre!
And as for that dream with the young Henry, was that a clown on the back of the horse? It looked like one!
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Nofretete
Nofretete
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Jun 22 2010, 8:10 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2010, 8:10 AM EDT
"For me its' the strange angle of its' hind legs. It just looked bizarre!
And as for that dream with the young Henry, was that a clown on the back of the horse? It looked like one!"
It was the grim reaper/death on that horse - a skull with a crown. I thought that scene was really beautifully done. Henry can't escape death.
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Elliemental
Elliemental
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Jun 22 2010, 8:12 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2010, 8:12 AM EDT
"It was the grim reaper/death on that horse - a skull with a crown. I thought that scene was really beautifully done. Henry can't escape death."
He just reminded me of Tim Burton's Jack Skellington!
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sweetsister
sweetsister
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Jun 22 2010, 9:09 AM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2010, 9:09 AM EDT
What I noticed (and it probably doesn't mean a thing) is that "death" carried a sword so in a sense Henry and Anne died in the same fashion, but I'm probably reading too much into it, a sword is probably the best/easiest weapon it wield when you are upon a horse, but it did make me think of Anne Do you find this valuable?    
queencaroline
queencaroline
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Jun 22 2010, 10:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2010, 10:49 PM EDT
"What I noticed (and it probably doesn't mean a thing) is that "death" carried a sword so in a sense Henry and Anne died in the same fashion, but I'm probably reading too much into it, a sword is probably the best/easiest weapon it wield when you are upon a horse, but it did make me think of Anne"
I thought of Anne, too. Yeah, a sword is easiest to carry... But the more accurate and common method of head-chopping back in Ye Days of Olde was the axe. So, probably not a purposeful connection. (Though the fact that he was getting his head lopped off definitely was.) But a nice one, all the same. I choose to believe that this was more of Anne's HBIC-ness from beyond the grave. ;)
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Imponthenet
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Jun 22 2010, 10:50 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 22 2010, 10:50 PM EDT
I noticed it. Do you find this valuable?    

emmalane
12. RE: The Bird that flew through the hall at the end. (Spoilers!)
Jun 28 2010, 3:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 28 2010, 3:21 PM EDT
I also thought the horse image was very powerful and haunting though the grim reaper did look more like a clown than a death mask.
Does anyone have a good interpretation of the symbolism of the horse? I did some quick googling but did not really find a satisfactory interpretation. A white horse is supposed to be symbolic of the ressurection but I thought that really did not apply to this situation. It's oftena symbol of grace, strength and virility but it lost that with the grim reaper on board [actually it lost a lot of impact with that mask-face on board].
Any insights welcome...
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Neta07
Neta07
13. RE: The Bird that flew through the hall at the end. (Spoilers!)
Jun 28 2010, 9:27 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 28 2010, 9:27 PM EDT
"I also thought the horse image was very powerful and haunting though the grim reaper did look more like a clown than a death mask.
Does anyone have a good interpretation of the symbolism of the horse? I did some quick googling but did not really find a satisfactory interpretation. A white horse is supposed to be symbolic of the ressurection but I thought that really did not apply to this situation. It's oftena symbol of grace, strength and virility but it lost that with the grim reaper on board [actually it lost a lot of impact with that mask-face on board].
Any insights welcome..."
We have our own page of symbolism/hidden meanings, check it out here: http://tudorswiki.sho.com/page/HIDDEN+MEANINGS+on+the+Tudors
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likesthesilence
likesthesilence
14. RE: The Bird that flew through the hall at the end. (Spoilers!)
Jun 30 2010, 12:01 PM EDT | Post edited: Jun 30 2010, 12:01 PM EDT
"I also thought the horse image was very powerful and haunting though the grim reaper did look more like a clown than a death mask.
Does anyone have a good interpretation of the symbolism of the horse? I did some quick googling but did not really find a satisfactory interpretation. A white horse is supposed to be symbolic of the ressurection but I thought that really did not apply to this situation. It's oftena symbol of grace, strength and virility but it lost that with the grim reaper on board [actually it lost a lot of impact with that mask-face on board].
Any insights welcome..."
I can't help but wonder if it's a bit of an homage to the book of Revelations, and the 4 horsemen of the apocalypse. "I looked, and there before me was a pale horse. Its rider was named Death, and Hell was following close behind him."
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