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LadyDurham |
Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 21 2010, 12:22 PM EDT
People will spend a good part of Monday gushing with belated love for this series. Once you're through with that, come here. If you have any quips, qualms, or questions about the finale, leave them here so your fellow Tudor fans can discuss and answer them for you. For me:-What was up with Elizabeth stomping out of the room rudely after her father left? Grief or a bit of resentment? -Kinda disappointed that our epilogue was only words on a screen restating facts we already knew. (Edward would die, Mary would be Bloody, Elizabeth would be great, etc.). They could have added some visual aids or even flash-forwards throughout the episode. I'm particularly interested in the Kate Parr and Tom Seymour affair. It's odd that they wouldn't mention that. Other than that , I found the finale visually stimulating and satisfying. Thanks for commenting! Do you find this valuable? |
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Brunet |
1. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 21 2010, 12:35 PM EDT
"People will spend a good part of Monday gushing with belated love for this series. Once you're through with that, come here. If you have any quips, qualms, or questions about the finale, leave them here so your fellow Tudor fans can discuss and answer them for you. For me:I think the reason for her abrupt exit was grief. The way she was portrayed throughout the season was as a very poised and controlled young woman, who was very aware of who she was. I believe that she wanted to keep her dignity, and grieve privately. As for the ending, I do like your idea of using flash forwards rather than the standard scrolling text. I also would love to see the series continue, but unfortunately it seems like Hirst is done. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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sweetsister |
2. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 21 2010, 1:04 PM EDT
How old is Holbien?Henry chides Holbien for painting his father as a decrepit old man , but Holbien must have had to refer to portraits himself, he looks younger than Henry VIII in the end Do you find this valuable? |
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sharon156 |
3. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 21 2010, 2:27 PM EDT
I have to say I was rather dissapointed with the Katherine of aragon part, I didnt like the fact that he didn't even address the issues of his treatement of mary that she brought up like he did with Elizabeth or that he told her to go away. I wanted there to be more interaction and for him to show his remorse after all as shown in season 1 he did love her and cried after she'd died.
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Nofretete |
4. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 21 2010, 2:36 PM EDT
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"How old is Holbien?There were two Holbeins, the older and the younger. The older Holbein must have been the one painting Henry VII, the younger was Henry's court painter. Do you find this valuable? |
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MsSquirrly |
5. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 21 2010, 3:46 PM EDT
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"There were two Holbeins, the older and the younger. The older Holbein must have been the one painting Henry VII, the younger was Henry's court painter."Henry VII who died in 1509 was never painted by the elder Holbein and Holbein the younger only came to England in 1526. Holbein died aged 46 and 4 years before Henry so it was all dramatic license taken by the writer because that painting was done in 1543. But I didn't have too much of a problem with it because it was the image Henry wanted to present to the world. Chances are that the artist made him look a lot better than the reality. As one historian put it, it was all propaganda and how Henry wanted to be seen through the generations and he got his wish. Do you find this valuable? |
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LadyMaryAnne |
6. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 21 2010, 3:59 PM EDT
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"I have to say I was rather dissapointed with the Katherine of aragon part, I didnt like the fact that he didn't even address the issues of his treatement of mary that she brought up like he did with Elizabeth or that he told her to go away. I wanted there to be more interaction and for him to show his remorse after all as shown in season 1 he did love her and cried after she'd died. "I agree, they just had her repeat what she had been saying for seasons one and two. She had so much she could have said that they didn't allow her too..>.< However, what she did say that Mary should have had (marriage and children) was important, since those were the things Mary pinned for. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Elliemental |
7. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 21 2010, 4:19 PM EDT
Well, I just watched the final episode, and to be honest I feel a bit "meh" about it.Like I suspected all along, the dead wives sequence was tacky. Henry's weird dream, where he appears young was cringeworthy. Finally, I was more moved by Charles Brandon's death, even though the character was generally loathesome. Katherine Parr was brilliant, though; as was Edward Seymour (in this episode, atleast). 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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LadyDurham |
8. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 21 2010, 5:26 PM EDT
"Well, I just watched the final episode, and to be honest I feel a bit "meh" about it.I thought the wives returning would be the highlight of the episode but their scenes were much too brief. Don't you think that they would have more to say to Henry than "Great job parenting our kid..NOT!". I expected them to tear him a new one for having mistresses. But if the wives were incantations of his subconsious, perhaps that just means he feels more guilty for neglecting his kids than all that cheating. Do you find this valuable? |
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Anne'sCurls |
9. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 21 2010, 6:30 PM EDT
I tend to think any mother would care more about the treatment of their child than who their bastard of a husband was boinking while they were alive. 1 gripe I can think of right now is that when Anne is chiding Henry about her innocence instead of saying "I thought you knew" I would have had her say with her smirk "but you already knew that didn't you". 6 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Anne'sCurls |
10. I HATE THIS SHOW!
Jun 21 2010, 7:02 PM EDT
No these writers did not make me feel sorry for Bishop Gardiner! Dangit, I feel like a poor excuse for a human being for feeling sorry for this monster. When Henry sent him away, the look on his face just touched me so much.
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sweetsister |
11. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 21 2010, 7:37 PM EDT
"Well, I just watched the final episode, and to be honest I feel a bit "meh" about it.I feel a bit the same like I had dinner but I'm not satisfied, I think I was spoiled by seasons 1 and 2 where to me it focused on Henry and his wives, season 3-4 focused on politics the seasons dont seem to flow, his whole relationship with CP was never fleshed out, we knew more about how he felt about AOC than his relationship with CP wich was a few card games and doctering... but maybe I'm just sad its over Do you find this valuable? |
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MsSquirrly |
12. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 21 2010, 7:41 PM EDT
"But if the wives were incantations of his subconsious, perhaps that just means he feels more guilty for neglecting his kids than all that cheating."I agree, I think they were the ghosts "in his head" so it was like his own conscience talking to himself through their images.....so he wouldn't get beaten up for having mistresses but it would be completely natural to feel some guilt about all his children. Also Anne mentioning her innocence and Katherine Howard's might also have been his conscience pricking him. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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13. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 21 2010, 7:47 PM EDT
"I have to say I was rather dissapointed with the Katherine of aragon part, I didnt like the fact that he didn't even address the issues of his treatement of mary that she brought up like he did with Elizabeth or that he told her to go away. I wanted there to be more interaction and for him to show his remorse after all as shown in season 1 he did love her and cried after she'd died. "Me too, i wished Catherine to say how Henry's actions affected Mary forever, also i thought he was too cold to her. But i liked that she said that " i'm still your true wife" 0 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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booklvr44 |
14. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 21 2010, 8:57 PM EDT
"They could have added some visual aids or even flash-forwards throughout the episode. I'm particularly interested in the Kate Parr and Tom Seymour affair. It's odd that they wouldn't mention that.I was really hoping that their would be some flash-forwards, and that the wives would be included not so much to gripe about Henry's parenting but to show him glimpses of the future. Not just the futures of people close to Henry, but the greater impact of the English Reformation and his (Henry's) life on English society and on the world. Do you find this valuable? |
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queencaroline |
15. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 27 2010, 8:52 AM EDT
The wives were Henry's hallucinations; he wouldn't know the future for them to tell. Even Jane's prediction about Edward was just that: Henry's own fear. It would actually explain why he wanted a Duke of York so badly--back-up for the son he always knew was sickly.Henry's own mind was indicative of his greatest faults: that of being a poor father, and that of being a worse husband. 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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booklvr44 |
16. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 27 2010, 11:06 AM EDT
"The wives were Henry's hallucinations; he wouldn't know the future for them to tell. "After seeing the episode, I realized that they were hallucinations. However, in the weeks leading up to the finale, when we were just seeing pictures of the women, I was hoping that they were more like angels of death or ghosts of the future, as opposed to representations of Henry's guilt or fears. :( Oh well, the scenes dealing with his wives were nice anyways. Do you find this valuable? |
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Boleynpatentpending |
17. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 27 2010, 1:51 PM EDT
"People will spend a good part of Monday gushing with belated love for this series. Once you're through with that, come here. If you have any quips, qualms, or questions about the finale, leave them here so your fellow Tudor fans can discuss and answer them for you. For me:I must be the only person who thought Elizabeth left the room in a hurry to go cry in private. I thought the "Mary killed many Protestant martyrs" without mentioning the Catholic martyrs executed by other Tudor monarchs was uncharacteristically one-sided for the show. I'm not a Mary I fan, but Edward and Elizabeth had people executed for a combination of treason and religious dissent as well. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 27 2010, 1:53 PM EDT
"Well, I just watched the final episode, and to be honest I feel a bit "meh" about it.I hated the "young Henry" scene too. I was relieved that it was just a dream and not his actual death. Do you find this valuable? |
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Boleynpatentpending |
19. RE: Open Questions & Disappointments
Jun 27 2010, 1:54 PM EDT
"The wives were Henry's hallucinations; he wouldn't know the future for them to tell. Even Jane's prediction about Edward was just that: Henry's own fear. It would actually explain why he wanted a Duke of York so badly--back-up for the son he always knew was sickly.One line I did like was "Is that why you're here? To chide me for everything I am not?" 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |