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Did Henry truely love any of his wives?
Jun 21 2010, 1:25 AM EDT
I always hear people say that Katherine was Henry's true love but I don't think he ever had one. I recall reading somewhere that Henry was infatuated with Katherine while she was married to his older both Arthur. Arthur died and Katherine was married to Henry. If it was true love why did Henry take a mistress so soon? The same with Anne Boleyn. Anne was an object that Henry wanted and could not have. He broke apart Anne and Henry Percey so that he might have Anne for himself. Anne rejected him at first and he really became obsessed with having her as his own. When he did finally get her he really did that same thing he had done to Katherine and took a mistress not too far into the marriage. When Henry wanted to get rid of Anne he turned to her polar opposite the blond blue eyed Jane who rejected him in the same way Anne had. I personally think that Henry was obsessed with the idea of getting rid of Anne and turned his full attention to a woman who was exactly the opposite of her. Anne of Cleaves really can be left out because we know he strongly disliked her. Katherine Howard was really a young girl who was a way out of a marriage for Henry. Henry wanted out of that marriage and turned to the young Katherine for his release. Catherine Parr was really, in my opinion, more of a companion than a wife however I do believe that Henry was determined to have her. It was clear as day that Catherine and Edward Seymour were in love and Henry wanted something he couldn't have so he sent Edward away and married Catherine.
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SunCityGoddess69 |
1. RE: Did Henry truely love any of his wives?
Jun 21 2010, 1:48 AM EDT
"I always hear people say that Katherine was Henry's true love but I don't think he ever had one. I recall reading somewhere that Henry was infatuated with Katherine while she was married to his older both Arthur. Arthur died and Katherine was married to Henry. If it was true love why did Henry take a mistress so soon? The same with Anne Boleyn. Anne was an object that Henry wanted and could not have. He broke apart Anne and Henry Percey so that he might have Anne for himself. Anne rejected him at first and he really became obsessed with having her as his own. When he did finally get her he really did that same thing he had done to Katherine and took a mistress not too far into the marriage. When Henry wanted to get rid of Anne he turned to her polar opposite the blond blue eyed Jane who rejected him in the same way Anne had. I personally think that Henry was obsessed with the idea of getting rid of Anne and turned his full attention to a woman who was exactly the opposite of her. Anne of Cleaves really can be left out because we know he strongly disliked her. Katherine Howard was really a young girl who was a way out of a marriage for Henry. Henry wanted out of that marriage and turned to the young Katherine for his release. Catherine Parr was really, in my opinion, more of a companion than a wife however I do believe that Henry was determined to have her. It was clear as day that Catherine and Edward Seymour were in love and Henry wanted something he couldn't have so he sent Edward away and married Catherine."I believe that Henry truly loved all of his queens in different ways... and they all supported his needs (emotional, intellectual, social... etc..) but I truly believe that he genuinely loved Jane Seymour the most. Queen Jane was sweet, loyal, and very honest to the king. I definetely agree with your dialogue Melisa. 1 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Did Henry truely love any of his wives?
Jun 21 2010, 7:00 AM EDT
This is one of those questions, we can all have an opinion on but there's only one man who knows. David Starkey believes Anne Boleyn was his only real love and she certainly seems to have been the passion of his life. They did have the longest time together without a hint of a mistress. Even with Jane Seymour, Henry was recorded as saying, when he saw a new lady in court that perhaps he had married in haste and he was very interested in Anne Basset, one of her ladies who he spent time with after Jane's death.Personally I think, Henry loved them all at the time he wanted to marry them...(even Anne of Cleves, he had fallen in love with her picture although that changed when he met her). He was a hopeless romantic and really needed to feel that he was in love with his wives unlike most monarchs who married for convenience to make alliances. As for "true love"? Call me a cynic but I don't think once you fall in love, that's it. Love is one of those emotions which is constantly changing and it can flourish or it can die depending on the two people involved and the circumstances of life. 4 out of 8 found this valuable. Do you? |
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3. RE: Did Henry truely love any of his wives?
Jun 21 2010, 7:37 AM EDT
I believe that Anne was the great passion of his life. You only have to look at the beautiful letters he wrote to her to see that he adored her.. If he ended up hating her in the end, well love and hate can be closely linked. I also agree with MsSquirrly that Henry most likely loved all his wives att the time he wanted to marry them. He seems to have been a man who loved the idea of being in love, but soon became disillusioned. 3 out of 7 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: Did Henry truely love any of his wives?
Jun 21 2010, 11:59 AM EDT
I'm not positive that Henry was capable of love. I maintain that he showed a bit of manic depressive tendencies in that he felt everything on a large scale. If he loved--he adored. If he hated--well, look at Anne. If he had the smallest note of ego, it grew into a monster. Going on the idea that he could love in the way that one deserves to be loved... It's complicated.As a young man, he certainly loved CofA. He did not have to marry her; he wanted to. But it was an immature, boyish love for him, while hers ran deeper. He was only 18, remember. His love for Anne was tempestuous and passionate--and I do think, the greatest love of his life. But it could just as easily turn into the greatest hate of his life. Jane, I believe, was a reaction. She was in every manner--as far as we know--the opposite of Anne. In looks, in temperament. It was the Betty/Veronica syndrome. Anne was Veronica (dark, sensual, temperamental) while Jane was Betty (fair, innocent, mild). The marriage did not last long, and it ended with Jane giving him a son. He was infatuated with her, I'm sure. But I would imagine Jane to become a CofA to Henry. He never would have gotten rid of her--she gave him a son. But I doubt that she would hold his passion forever. Anne of Cleves was love for a fantasy. Same with Katherine Howard, in a different way. They were idealized notions that could never come true. CParr--I'm not sure that I follow the nursemaid theory as far as everyone else does. But I think that they had more of a companionship, a mild friendship, a respect, than love. That said, I'm still unsure about whether or not he truly loved any of them for who they really were. 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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juliana-angela |
5. RE: Did Henry truely love any of his wives?
Jun 21 2010, 2:26 PM EDT
I think that he probably loved all of them apart from Anne of Cleves, but in different ways - Katharine of Aragon was the attractive older woman, Anne Boleyn the grand passion, Jane the quiet helper, Katheryn Howard the old man's fancy, and Katherine Parr the mature companion.If Henry could have taken qualities from each and mixed them together to make the ideal wife, I'm sure he would have done so! 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: Did Henry truely love any of his wives?
Jun 21 2010, 6:31 PM EDT
"I always hear people say that Katherine was Henry's true love but I don't think he ever had one. I recall reading somewhere that Henry was infatuated with Katherine while she was married to his older both Arthur. Arthur died and Katherine was married to Henry. If it was true love why did Henry take a mistress so soon? The same with Anne Boleyn. Anne was an object that Henry wanted and could not have. He broke apart Anne and Henry Percey so that he might have Anne for himself. Anne rejected him at first and he really became obsessed with having her as his own. When he did finally get her he really did that same thing he had done to Katherine and took a mistress not too far into the marriage. When Henry wanted to get rid of Anne he turned to her polar opposite the blond blue eyed Jane who rejected him in the same way Anne had. I personally think that Henry was obsessed with the idea of getting rid of Anne and turned his full attention to a woman who was exactly the opposite of her. Anne of Cleaves really can be left out because we know he strongly disliked her. Katherine Howard was really a young girl who was a way out of a marriage for Henry. Henry wanted out of that marriage and turned to the young Katherine for his release. Catherine Parr was really, in my opinion, more of a companion than a wife however I do believe that Henry was determined to have her. It was clear as day that Catherine and Edward Seymour were in love and Henry wanted something he couldn't have so he sent Edward away and married Catherine."I"m not sure the concept of "true love" means much when you're dealing with a sociopath, which Henry probably was. Certainly he had a violent infatuation for Anne Boleyn, and strong but less intense feelings for other wives. But, ultimately, his power corrupted all his relationships. He was heard to complain on occasion as he grew older that he could not trust anyone, and that he wished he was an ordinary man instead of a king. EVERYONE Henry knew behaved differently toward him -- always telling him what he wanted to hear. That's pretty dysfunctional. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Anne'sCurls |
7. RE: Did Henry truely love any of his wives?
Jun 21 2010, 6:42 PM EDT
First of all I dont believe a person like Henry VIII is capable of love. But if he was, it had to be with one of his first 3 wives. If I try really hard I think I tend towards Katharine of Aragon being loved by him at one time. It is harder for me to think he ever loved Anne when he willingly killed her; but there are people who say that the opposite of love isnt hatred it is indifference, and Henry hated Anne but wasnt indifferent to her. WIth Jane, she just gave him a son and died soon after before he could get tired of her. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Did Henry truely love any of his wives?
Jun 23 2010, 5:27 PM EDT
"I always hear people say that Katherine was Henry's true love but I don't think he ever had one. ..."Well here's what I think, with 500 years hindsight and no psychology degree. ;p I think Henry was a narcissist, and I think narcissists are capable of love the way young children are. Love = passion for something really great for ME. I also think a person can have affairs and still love their significant other. Once "falling in love" evolves into attachment-love, people can miss the "high" of falling in love or experiencing new things. So I don't think the affair with Bessie meant he didn't "love" Katherine. I think he loved Katherine, Anne, Jane, K. Howard, his kids, and Thomas More insofar as any narcissist is able to love anyone. 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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sweetsister |
9. RE: Did Henry truely love any of his wives?
Jun 23 2010, 6:36 PM EDT
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Henry may in fact have loved some wives (friends) etc, not to be facetious but there were times when some of the wives CP, AOC looked as if the lost a game of "duck duck goose" i.e. not being too happy to be chosen to marry the king. Even Anne B tells her father at first she did not care for the king, and poor Thomas Moore he didn't want to be chancellor. Maybe it was all a "game" to him "Henry" there were allot of symbolic references to geese, birds...
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sweetsister |
10. RE: Did Henry truely love any of his wives?
Jun 23 2010, 8:50 PM EDT
I think I posted somewhere else that I think Henry needed more than one wife, just because of the changes he went through, his first a bit older like a mother figure, there to serve and look away at his indiscretions, the second as the great lust if not love of his life, but alas no son and too much spunk too suite the new all powerful Henry, then there's Jane the biddable wife delivering a son and dying too soon to get on Henrys nerve AOC a political blunder (but I think reality was he was impotent and she took the blame. Poor young KH midlife crisis and finally CP companion and nurse who luckily "learned her place" or would not have outlived Henry
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danii2312 |
11. RE: Did Henry truely love any of his wives?
Mar 20 2013, 2:14 PM EDT
I was always led to beleive that Jane Seymour was his most loved wife?. He was buried with her. Didn't he state that he was to be buried with his "most loved and lawful wife"?. Though I think he was very fond of his "rose without a thorn" - Katherine Howard. He was said to be devastated at the news of her infidelity and at first rejected the accusations. Who knows really. I think Anne Boleyn was the ultimate figure of lust, but as we all know love and lust are two very different things. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Anne'sCurls |
12. RE: Did Henry truely love any of his wives?
Mar 23 2013, 5:32 PM EDT
Henry said many things it doesn't make it true. When trying to figure out who Henry really loved his words don't hold much weight. Henry said he loved Jane because she gave him a son and then died. If her son died and Carherine Howard, Anne of Cleve's etc. gave him a second son he would say they were his true and lawful wife. Henry saying he loved Jane is like a 5yr old saying they love Santa Claus for giving them a toy they desperately wanted. Henry needed to be married to all his wives at the same time to be kept happy and all of them to be kept safe. Do you find this valuable? |