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GreensleevedDelight |
I can't believe it's over
Jun 20 2010, 10:11 PM EDT
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I can truthfully say this is the first show I actually feel really sad about seeing it go. It was a very beautiful and emotional ending. Still, I crave to see more of this interesting dynasty.What did everyone think about the wives coming back? I love how they just gave him hell. I will say it was wonderful to see Natalie as Anne again too. At one point I was a little confused as to way when Henry was sending Kate, Mary, and Elizabeth away. Catherine and Mary were obviously emotional, but Elizabeth kept her composure quite well. I thought on it and maybe it's to show that what Anne's ghost said was true, that Elizabeth was like her perfected version (according to the King's standards). She tries to show little bad emotion as possible and held back her tears for her Father's sake. At least that's just how I think of it. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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mm127 |
1. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 20 2010, 10:13 PM EDT
I love how they gave him hell too - especially the seemingly docile jane. kinda wish that anne of cleves and catherine howard had a part in it... Do you find this valuable? |
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GreensleevedDelight |
2. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 20 2010, 11:05 PM EDT
"I love how they gave him hell too - especially the seemingly docile jane.Haha! Yea. He was all like "Oh, my sweeet Jane!" and she was basically like "F@!$ you, you bastard! You're killing my son!" 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
MsSquirrly |
3. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 20 2010, 11:09 PM EDT
I haven't seen the episode yet but that seems a bit odd....Henry didn't kill his son. He took great care of his health. Many children died ..in fact 50% of people died before 30...if they made it to 30 they had a good chance of getting to old age. I just don't understand why she would be blaming Henry??? Do you find this valuable? |
sweetsister |
4. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 20 2010, 11:51 PM EDT
"I haven't seen the episode yet but that seems a bit odd....Henry didn't kill his son. He took great care of his health. Many children died ..in fact 50% of people died before 30...if they made it to 30 they had a good chance of getting to old age.I have not seen it either, my guess is maybe Henry passed on syphilis to his son, or because he kept Edward (in a plastic bubble) he never came into contact with germs and so had a poor immune system (I know it's probably not the case since we saw a scene where young Edward was ill) but these are guesses...can't wait till the ep is on line... Do you find this valuable? |
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MsSquirrly |
5. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 21 2010, 12:02 AM EDT
well I don't know...I mean I know the series is not historically accurate but the syphilis theory has been ruled out by most historians and back then they had no idea about the immune system.Yes can't wait...:) but sad :( that its all over. Do you find this valuable? |
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GreensleevedDelight |
6. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 21 2010, 12:15 AM EDT
"I just don't understand why she would be blaming Henry???"The way she puts it (If you don't take it as a spoiler) is that Henry locked him away for years and then dumps a heavy weight on his shoulders. Even though Edward has people to oversee his duties he cannot do as a minor, that eventually has to come to an end and the stress of not really knowing what to do can weaken the immune system making him more open to get diseases and die. Jane is basically saying that Edward is not ready for what is about to happen yet and the stress will kill him. Makes me think that maybe she would prefer the order for who will rule to go from oldest to youngest. Do you find this valuable? |
SunCityGoddess69 |
7. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 21 2010, 3:00 AM EDT
"The way she puts it (If you don't take it as a spoiler) is that Henry locked him away for years and then dumps a heavy weight on his shoulders. Even though Edward has people to oversee his duties he cannot do as a minor, that eventually has to come to an end and the stress of not really knowing what to do can weaken the immune system making him more open to get diseases and die. Jane is basically saying that Edward is not ready for what is about to happen yet and the stress will kill him. Makes me think that maybe she would prefer the order for who will rule to go from oldest to youngest."Yes.. great point, but he was the Prince and that is what supercedes the power of being a princess unless it was written by his or her HRM that it would be different otherwise. Do you find this valuable? |
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SunCityGoddess69 |
8. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 21 2010, 3:01 AM EDT
"I love how they gave him hell too - especially the seemingly docile jane.Absolutely... I can't believe they didn't show Catherine Howard?? Maybe it was because she didn't have a child from him.??/ Do you find this valuable? |
queencaroline |
9. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 21 2010, 5:30 AM EDT
"Absolutely... I can't believe they didn't show Catherine Howard?? Maybe it was because she didn't have a child from him.??/"I think that's it. KH had a lot of screentime this scene already, and I suppose that they wanted to focus on the wives who were arguably the most important to him. And the first three were the most important because they bore him children. Plus, I suppose that they got the point that he was guilty over KH's death with Anne Boleyn's--i.e., his own pysche's--mention of her. Do you find this valuable? |
BlackRose86 |
10. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 21 2010, 5:56 AM EDT
I still wish that they would've continued the series into the reigns of Edward, Mary, and Elizabeth, but I guess they didn't want to do overkill. I'm really going to miss the series! :(
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DuchessGrey |
11. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 21 2010, 8:18 PM EDT
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"Absolutely... I can't believe they didn't show Catherine Howard?? Maybe it was because she didn't have a child from him.??/"I did not quite understand that either. First of all, if Catherine Howard was going to be mentioned then they should have brought her back standing next to Anne and Elizabeth. Am I sad that the series is over? No. The series did not do these people justice in many respects. But, it was like a train wreck, I could not stop myself from watching it. 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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janice2520 |
12. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 23 2010, 1:49 AM EDT
Just because, Henry the XIII, kept his son away from the normal world, like the king himself, he enjoyed a normal life, and he kept his only male heir in a secluded, "safe" place, away for rom the world! Just to make sure, he will survive, to be a Tudor male king !! I would blame him too, even after my death, for putting my son, away from the real world, and it was a dangerous one!! So I think!
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janice2520 |
13. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 23 2010, 1:56 AM EDT
I CAN'T BLIEVE IT'S OVER TOO!! I LOVE TUDORS HISTORY!! I CRIED, CAUSE I'VE BEEN WATCHING THE SHOW SINCE THE FIRST EPISODE. FIRST SEASON, AND NOW I'M GONNA MISS THE TUDORS, I REALLY FELT VERY, VERY, SAD, I WOULD LIKE TO WATCH, THE REPRESENTATION OF THE TUDORS DINASTY AFTER THE DEATH OF KING HENRY THE VIII!! OF COURSE ELIZABETH, AND ELIZABETH THE GOLDEN AGE, WAS A CO-PROCUCTION OF THE SAME WRITER OF THE TUDORS TOO!! SO I CAN ONLY RELY ON THESE MOVIES, JUST TO FOLLOW WHAT WAS GOING TO BE NEXT!! LOVE TUDORS, LOVE TUDOR'S FANS TOO!! PLEASE FEEDBACk!!
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janice2520 |
14. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 23 2010, 2:08 AM EDT
"I did not quite understand that either. First of all, if Catherine Howard was going to be mentioned then they should have brought her back standing next to Anne and Elizabeth.Catherine Howard shouln't even bein mentioned by anne's boylen ghost!! she never had the hance to talk to the king about her innocence!! why would ever mentioned Catherine Howard, to defender of what? she really comitted adultery, Anne Boylen did not!! If Anne's Boylen ghost had to speak for herself, it would be to defend herself, in front of the king, (which she never had the opportunity to do so) and to let him know tthe great mistake he make for killing her !! Do you find this valuable? |
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emmalane |
15. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 30 2010, 3:34 PM EDT
"I haven't seen the episode yet but that seems a bit odd....Henry didn't kill his son. He took great care of his health. Many children died ..in fact 50% of people died before 30...if they made it to 30 they had a good chance of getting to old age.I think it is believed that Edward died of neglect by his 'handlers' who kept power for themselves while he was in his minority. He was kept locked away from most people to preserve their influence over him and never grew very strong or confident; in fact he was apparently quite priggish and whiny...at least this is what I have read. But you have a point that he may have died anyway since Henry Fitzroy also died in his teens as did their uncle Arthur. Do you find this valuable? |
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MsSquirrly |
16. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jun 30 2010, 11:58 PM EDT
well now I have seen the episode I think I get it...it was Henry's dream sequence and the wives were his brain ghosts. His conscience bothering him about his children and the wives who died. He always worried about his son's health and Jane chastizing him was a manifestation own fear of his son dying young.
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virhe |
17. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jul 7 2010, 4:29 PM EDT
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"seeing it go. It was a very beautiful and emotional ending. Still, I crave to see more of this interesting dynasty.I thought the ending was beautiful too. I wish they had shown CP and Margaret (and maybe something else of Cromwell than just being slapped ;)) but I suppose when your life passes between your eyes there's always more you'd like to see :) I rewatched the part where Henry says goodbye to Elisabeth, and she isn't teary-eyed *at all*. As in, she is not terribly moved. She wouldn't have needed to cry as hard as Mary to look like she gave a damn, but mostly Elisabeth just looked uncomfortable. Either she a) doesn't consider her father dead yet, so she doesn't feel the need to cry or b) she doesn't care. How much did she even see her father? They corresponded, yes, but the relationship still wasn't nearly as warm as a today's one between father and daughter (which still is not always so warm) or c)Childhood being molested leaves its scars on you, and you might not always feel what you're *supposed* to. or d) Actress fail, but I'd rather not go there. Do you find this valuable? |
ladyfraidy |
18. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jul 8 2010, 7:44 AM EDT
"The way she puts it (If you don't take it as a spoiler) is that Henry locked him away for years and then dumps a heavy weight on his shoulders. Even though Edward has people to oversee his duties he cannot do as a minor, that eventually has to come to an end and the stress of not really knowing what to do can weaken the immune system making him more open to get diseases and die. Jane is basically saying that Edward is not ready for what is about to happen yet and the stress will kill him. Makes me think that maybe she would prefer the order for who will rule to go from oldest to youngest."Which it should have if it had been a perfect world. Maybe then Mary would not have been as embittered and would have found a happy marriage and children. I think Mary , Edward, and Jane Grey are the biggest victims of Henry's craziness. Three innocents who should have had happier lives. Do you find this valuable? |
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queencaroline |
19. RE: I can't believe it's over
Jul 8 2010, 8:45 AM EDT
"Here's my perspective. We have to remember that Mary was portrayed as having an unhealthily forgiving relationship with Henry. Yes, she was a "strong woman" in comparison to some, but she often still bowed to men. She still recognized, for a time at least, Edward's superiority; she still believed that Henry loved her, and was thus capable of good; she still loved him despite what he did to her mother. I personally would despise my father if he treated my mom the way Henry treated CofA. Henry emotionally abused Mary--and she seemed to be suffering from that classic, abused-loves-the-abuser syndrome. She clings to the memories of Henry before he became a monster. Elizabeth, however, has never had those memories. She was less than three years old when Henry rejected her--and her mother suffered a worse fate that Mary's. Elizabeth was not only treated as a bastard... The older she grew, the more she would discover about Anne Boleyn's death. Most people believe that Elizabeth always knew of her mother's innocence--especially since her governess was related to AB, and few of the English people actually bought the adultery charges. Henry never spent time with Elizabeth to establish that obsessive forgiveness Mary exhibits. So... Not only is Elizabeth not attached to him in the first place. She also knows that this man murdered her innocent mother. Call me crazy, but I wouldn't be sorry to see him go. Do you find this valuable? |
