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Ghost Gripes Finale: spoiler
May 17 2010, 1:11 PM EDT
Many of us have seen or heard about the upcoming episode where some of Henrys wives pay him a visit. Which Queen/Ghost has the most to be angry about? We know that he treated them badly but which do you think has the most to gripe about?
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CarolineZ |
1. RE: Ghost Gripes Finale: spoiler
May 17 2010, 1:19 PM EDT
I think Anne B. would have the most to gripe about. Executed on trumped up charges.
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LadyElizabeth69 |
2. RE: Ghost Gripes Finale: spoiler
May 17 2010, 1:37 PM EDT
I would definitely say Anne Boleyn. She was killed on ridiculous charges.Possibly KOA too? He threw her aside all because he was tired of her not producing a male heir and because something better came along, she should have something to gripe about also. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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QueenCatalina |
3. RE: Ghost Gripes Finale: spoiler
May 17 2010, 1:50 PM EDT
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I think definatly KOA, the woman lived in 7 years of poverty only staying in England the last few of those years because of Henry's promises and love fr hr that was devolping at the time. She did an incrediable amount of good - most people don't even know about half the things she did - for England and for Henry, and he just tossed it all aside dragging her name through the mud with accusations and lies. And I think he killed her just as much as he did w/ AB and KH, he delibratlet sent her to unhealthly, old, horrible places which he must have been stupid not to see wold make her ill. And he didn't even let their own daughter attend her funeral, in which a specifically appointed priest said Katherine had admitted lying about Arthur on her deathbed, "confessing" she did have sex with him. Which in itself is an utter lie.In general he just treated her terribly he cheated on her numerous times - with Bessie Blount's pregnancy actually disstressing her so much it caused her own miscarriage. He did love her, and in the early days they were extremely happy, but he just wronged her so many times over the years, and was just hyprocytical and spiteful to her to an extreme porportion. 4 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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melisa09 |
4. RE: Ghost Gripes Finale: spoiler
May 17 2010, 7:43 PM EDT
I'm not too sure. From what it looks like only three wives are returning. I remember reading that Henry was haunted by Katherine Howard's ghost in his final days, hearing her screaming. Katherine Howard would be an interesting one if she was included. She was young and did not receive the same execution her cousin had received. An execution with an axe was not a pleasant death. But if it is only the first three probably Jane. She never saw her son grow up and would probably be angry about having to really hide her true standings. She was silenced until death and would probably give him an earful. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: Ghost Gripes Finale: spoiler
May 17 2010, 9:36 PM EDT
The one who has nothing to complain about is Jane. The mos she could say is "why did you threaten me with death". It could be a tie between Anne and Katharine, one was murdered by him the other neglected to death. If it is true that all the wives will appear then I would think Catherine Howard has no right to to complain or be mad at Henry.
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Boleynpatentpending |
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May 18 2010, 12:33 AM EDT
"I think definatly KOA, the woman lived in 7 years of poverty only staying in England the last few of those years because of Henry's promises and love fr hr that was devolping at the time. She did an incrediable amount of good - most people don't even know about half the things she did - for England and for Henry, and he just tossed it all aside dragging her name through the mud with accusations and lies. And I think he killed her just as much as he did w/ AB and KH, he delibratlet sent her to unhealthly, old, horrible places which he must have been stupid not to see wold make her ill. And he didn't even let their own daughter attend her funeral, in which a specifically appointed priest said Katherine had admitted lying about Arthur on her deathbed, "confessing" she did have sex with him. Which in itself is an utter lie.If she died of heart cancer, though, I wonder if his treatment of her had anything to do with her death. Certainly he didn't help any, but cancer doesn't occur due to cold, damp buildings. Although I've heard stress can be a factor. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DanceTillYoureDead |
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May 18 2010, 2:30 AM EDT
"If she died of heart cancer, though, I wonder if his treatment of her had anything to do with her death. Certainly he didn't help any, but cancer doesn't occur due to cold, damp buildings. Although I've heard stress can be a factor."It certainly didn't help. Anyway, he knew perfectly well that these conditions could cause illness, he did it delibratley. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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LadyMaryAnne |
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May 21 2010, 4:12 PM EDT
I actually would prefer for the wives to interact as well as their children.
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melisa09 |
9. RE: Ghost Gripes Finale: spoiler
May 21 2010, 5:35 PM EDT
If the show chooses to follow the idea that Jane died due to lack of care after Edwards birth, like Christina of Denmark states when she talks about two heads. Jane could easily state something like I gave you everything and thisis what I get.Katherine Howard was also told that she would be spared, that the King granted her mercy, and we all know how that turned out. I just feel that Katherine would be an interesting person to have during Henry's final days, running around screaming. Do you find this valuable? |
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Tudoriality |
10. RE: Ghost Gripes Finale: spoiler
May 22 2010, 2:12 AM EDT
Anne of Cleves, Katherine Howard and Katherine Parr will probably not be in the dream sequence, and out of KofA, AB and JS I think KofA and AB has the most to be angry about towards their king. Seeing things very black/white and simple: KofA was discarded after a long and loyal life as queen, but she chose to stand on her pride and live in poverty by doing so. Anne Boleyn schemed together with her father and uncle to become queen and was no saint, but didn't deserve to die because of trumped up charges. (If KofA and AB was right/wrong in doing what they did I leave to another discussion) If the three first queens come back as themselves I don't think any of them will be angry, certainly not KofA and JS, unless they have undergone complete changes in personalities in their afterlifes. If the former queens come back as how Henry imagine they would be and feel towards him after his treatment of them, I think it's AB who will show off the most rage. And yes it would be cool to have an interaction between KofA, AB and JS. Do you find this valuable? |
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MARYKBOLEYN |
11. RE: Ghost Gripes Finale: spoiler
May 22 2010, 4:03 PM EDT
You are right, Henry did treat KOA badly, and Anne too. But as far as if KOA had sex with Arthur, that is not necessarily a "lie"--never been proven. I think she probably did have sex with Arthur, which there's nothing wrong with. He was her husband, and I'm sure they were under pressure to produce an heir. To think she didn't have sex with him is harder to believe. She could've lied so she would be allowed to marry Henry and be Queen of England, and lied to protect Mary's legitimacy.
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Boleynpatentpending |
12. RE: Ghost Gripes Finale: spoiler
May 22 2010, 4:22 PM EDT
"I actually would prefer for the wives to interact as well as their children. "What I'm most interested in is Henry's reaction to his wives, and perhaps revelation as to what he truly considers to be real and true, as opposed to what lies he's been telling others and himself. I enjoy it when the series tries to get inside Henry's head. Do you find this valuable? |
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QueenCatalina |
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May 22 2010, 4:49 PM EDT
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"What I'm most interested in is Henry's reaction to his wives, and perhaps revelation as to what he truly considers to be real and true, as opposed to what lies he's been telling others and himself. I enjoy it when the series tries to get inside Henry's head."What I'd love for them to do, just for the hilarity factor is, after Henry's got over the inital shock of seeing his wives again is "And now, your older brother - Arthur!" "Oh, erm, hi Arthur. Sorry for making you and Katherine a laughing stock years after your death." "Yes, well Henry, I see you have been reading The Constant Princess." Can't see that happening, though, somehow. xD 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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MARYKBOLEYN |
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May 25 2010, 8:04 PM EDT
"What I'd love for them to do, just for the hilarity factor is, after Henry's got over the inital shock of seeing his wives again is "And now, your older brother - Arthur!"LOL! Good one! There's another thread on here where someone stated they'd like to see KOA in the ghost scene saying "Oh by the way, I DID sleep with your brother, many times, and it was GOOD" I was laughing at that one. That would be classic. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Boleynpatentpending |
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May 25 2010, 10:35 PM EDT
"LOL! Good one!I just want Anne Boleyn to make him admit he knew she was innocent all along, that she was a human sacrifice for Edward. 1 out of 10 found this valuable. Do you? |
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MARYKBOLEYN |
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May 25 2010, 11:59 PM EDT
"I just want Anne Boleyn to make him admit he knew she was innocent all along, that she was a human sacrifice for Edward."Exactly! I hope Anne does confont him on that. Those were trumped up charges and I think Henry knew that all along, he just wanted to find a way to get rid of Anne. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Simhawk09 |
17. RE: Ghost Gripes Finale: spoiler
May 26 2010, 12:17 AM EDT
I really don't want to see the ghosts come back and "gripe". I would rather see a more sympathetic and eerie scene, rather than one full of 'low-blows' made by the previous wives.
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luvprue2 |
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May 26 2010, 9:01 AM EDT
"Many of us have seen or heard about the upcoming episode where some of Henrys wives pay him a visit. Which Queen/Ghost has the most to be angry about? We know that he treated them badly but which do you think has the most to gripe about?"Well, all of them . However if I had to pick one, I would choose Katherine of Aragon, because she was his loyal wife of 20 years,and she was also his friend before that. Seeking an divorce to marry one of her ladies in waiting is bad enough, but idea that Henry VIII would even try to label her his ***** for the 20 years,and to claim the marriage didn't exist is like claiming that all she done for him,her loyalty and friendship didn't mean anything. second would be Katherine Howard. Henry VIII knew she was too young to be his wife,and he was way too old to keep her as his wife, and she was much too young to have been sent to the scaffold . 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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luvprue2 |
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May 26 2010, 9:07 AM EDT
"I think definatly KOA, the woman lived in 7 years of poverty only staying in England the last few of those years because of Henry's promises and love fr hr that was devolping at the time. She did an incrediable amount of good - most people don't even know about half the things she did - for England and for Henry, and he just tossed it all aside dragging her name through the mud with accusations and lies. And I think he killed her just as much as he did w/ AB and KH, he delibratlet sent her to unhealthly, old, horrible places which he must have been stupid not to see wold make her ill. And he didn't even let their own daughter attend her funeral, in which a specifically appointed priest said Katherine had admitted lying about Arthur on her deathbed, "confessing" she did have sex with him. Which in itself is an utter lie.I agree. Henry VIII must have paid the priest,or threaten him (Henry VIII would have likely did both) . Priest are suppose to keep your confession private,so the idea that he would blurt out her last confession, seems like it was done for the king's benefit. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |