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LadyElizabeth69 |
Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 9 2010, 10:34 PM EDT
Just thought I would start a thread where we could discuss our reaction to Episode 5. The episode I felt was very VERY fast moving and terribly sad... The episode for me actually made me feel sorry for Dereham... Culpepper I felt deserved exactly what he got. I'm sure everyone was very surprised by the ending with the words that Katharine spoke... Also do you think there was any significance to them not showing her actually dying or cutting her head off? I will miss the spunk and excitement that Katharine brought to season 4. I also am having an issue with Henry's (JRM) weight.. In episode 1 of season 4 he looks so much bigger and even the scene with Katharine is calling for him he looks big and then in the next scene for example when he is at the party with the women, he looks exactly as he did to me in season 2... I think it will be a little strange how all of a sudden in the later episodes of this season he is just going to be become huge... Anyway, I am interested in everyone elses thoughts! I can't believe next week is already episode 6! Do you find this valuable?
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Maidsinarow |
1. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 9 2010, 10:43 PM EDT
I just mentioned in another thread that I felt depressed after tonight's episode. And also that I couldn't watch some of the scenes. So do you think Jane faked her insanity thinking she would be spared? I think I would have given it a try, too bad Henry had the law changed though.
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LadyElizabeth69 |
2. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 9 2010, 11:08 PM EDT
I kept looking away at some scenes too :( they were so sad.. It reminded me so much back to Anne..I definitely think that Jane might have tried to pull the insanity plea hoping that she might get saved, she certainly proves to be manipulative enough... but she seemed to forget how much more manipulative Henry can be. 1 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Anne'sCurls |
3. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 9 2010, 11:25 PM EDT
I don't think Jane in The Tudors was faking her insanity, even on the block she seemed to still be very out of it. I thinkthis episode was the best of the season, everyone pu in good performances, except Jonathan, sorry I was nit impressed at all with him. Tamzin did great and finally impressed me. Lady Mary is getting on my dang nerves, but atleast we can all be happy she had nothing to do with Catherine's death. One complaint I have is why Joan didn't die as well, I'm not saying I want to see her die, but she was just as guilty as Lady Rochford in the Culpepper affair. Do you find this valuable? |
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4. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 12:01 AM EDT
"I don't think Jane in The Tudors was faking her insanity, even on the block she seemed to still be very out of it. I thinkthis episode was the best of the season, everyone pu in good performances, except Jonathan, sorry I was nit impressed at all with him. Tamzin did great and finally impressed me. Lady Mary is getting on my dang nerves, but atleast we can all be happy she had nothing to do with Catherine's death.According to Alison Weir in her book "The Six Wives of Henry VIII":,Joan Bulmer along with others were arraigned on December 22, 1541 for misprision of treason for concealing the evil demeanour of the Queen, to the slander of the King and succession. All pleaded guilty, and were sentenced to perpetual imprisonment and loss of goods and lands; however not long afterwards the King pardoned most of them and had them freed. The old Duchess of Norfolk was also included in the indictment, but she was not brought to trial as she was "old and testy' and may die out of perversity to defraud the King`s Highness of the confiscation of her goods. She too was sentenced to loss of liberty and lands, and the King ended up somewhat richer as a result. Do you find this valuable? |
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Anne'sCurls |
5. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 12:12 AM EDT
Um yeah good to know, but I am talking about Joan on the show who helped in the affair with Culpepper but was looking mighty spiffy in the crowd watching Catherine and Jane die.
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6. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 12:23 AM EDT
Episode 5 seemed different compared to other episodes somehow, but I liked it. I actually began to feel bad for Kathryn when they told her the King had decided to grant her mercy. But of course she had to go and lie and say Dereham raped her and Culpeper and Lady Rochford were the ones who pushed for the relationship. All three of them (Kathryn, Culpeper, and Rochford) played the blame game, which I assume really happened. I actually felt bad for Dereham, even though he acted like a you-know-what in episode 4. His punishment was way to cruel. If anything, Culpeper should have gotten his punishment instead.
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Simhawk09 |
7. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 12:27 AM EDT
"Episode 5 seemed different compared to other episodes somehow, but I liked it. I actually began to feel bad for Kathryn when they told her the King had decided to grant her mercy. But of course she had to go and lie and say Dereham raped her and Culpeper and Lady Rochford were the ones who pushed for the relationship. All three of them (Kathryn, Culpeper, and Rochford) played the blame game, which I assume really happened. I actually felt bad for Dereham, even though he acted like a you-know-what in episode 4. His punishment was way to cruel. If anything, Culpeper should have gotten his punishment instead."I forgot to add, I wish they would have had Kathryn say more than she did before she died. I should have expected her to say the "I would have rather died the wife of Culpeper" line, but I just wish they would have had her give an actual speech. Maybe whisper that line under her breath or so only the people on the scaffold could hear before she put her head on the block. Do you find this valuable? |
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ladyofnight |
8. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 1:46 AM EDT
I usually watch the episodes over and over again...not this one. It was very good, but I just can't watch that again. I can only imagine the terror those people endured....no matter what their crime was.
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Elliemental |
9. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 5:11 AM EDT
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I shouldn't be reading this thread, I'm waiting on the epsode downloading. But I'd like to ask, do we get to see Katherine Parr in this episode? Really looking forward to her popping. Parr just about nudges in as a favourite,so really I have been waiting 4 years for this :D
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theothertudorgirl |
10. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 5:50 AM EDT
"I shouldn't be reading this thread, I'm waiting on the epsode downloading. But I'd like to ask, do we get to see Katherine Parr in this episode? Really looking forward to her popping. Parr just about nudges in as a favourite,so really I have been waiting 4 years for this :D"No, there is way to much in the episode to even see Parr though don't worry, I have seen the stills for the next episode, she will be in that... Do you find this valuable? |
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Reggie19 |
11. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 9:02 AM EDT
The most depressing episode in the whole series as far as i'm concerned; while Anne's death was heartbreaking, this was just harrowing. No way could i have continued to hate the character of Dereham after this, his death was just... absolutely disgusting, there's just no other way i can express it, that poor, poor man... and for what? Sleeping with a perfectly willing girl who at the time was NOT Queen! Culpepper on the other hand... i wouldn't even have wished him in Dereham's position, but as i feared, cold to the very end.I didn't get any impression that Jane was faking her insanity whatsoever, she was completely out of her senses on the block, but i almost expected her to confess she had something to do with Anne and George's deaths at the last minute, seeing as how they had Kathryn claiming she would have rather been the wife of Culpepper. Do you find this valuable? |
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ladyofnight |
12. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 9:18 AM EDT
Rggie19, I agree. I found the episode disturbing, but then when you read accounts of Drehams' torture and death, it was even worse than what we saw in the series. I had flashbacks of "Braveheart." We should understand that these practices were undoubtedly administered quite often. I have no idea how the public could watch this gruesome punishment. Also, what about the executioners and torturers? A different time, indeed, I suppose. Again, the horror and terror alone must have rendered you into a state of numbness, perhaps.
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LadyElizabeth69 |
13. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 9:52 AM EDT
"I don't think Jane in The Tudors was faking her insanity, even on the block she seemed to still be very out of it. I thinkthis episode was the best of the season, everyone pu in good performances, except Jonathan, sorry I was nit impressed at all with him. Tamzin did great and finally impressed me. Lady Mary is getting on my dang nerves, but atleast we can all be happy she had nothing to do with Catherine's death.As much as I have loved JRM this season so far, I have to agree that he did not impress me at all in this episode.. he barely talked and all we saw were tons of facial expressions. Also the "party" scene with all the girls just confused me and I thought it was so silly. Tamzin really did impress me also in this episode, I really will miss her in this season now. I was getting annoyed when they kept showing Joan standing right in front of the block and how she tried to keep smiling, I think she was just as guilty also and should have died with the others. Do you find this valuable? |
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14. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 10:01 AM EDT
I for one will have to rewatch yesterdays episode everything went so fast, and there was so much, I will probably have to rewatch previous episodes as well to try and piece everything together in my mind. However 3 things did stick out to me...1) many historical accounts state that at one point Henry was weeping, then angry and back and forth, I saw anger but no weeping, and what was up with the "playboy mansion" party with Henry plying Hugh Hefner with all the pretty bunnies (oops I mean ladies of the court) 2) I always thought that the heads of executed persons were outside somewhere on the castle for all to see. Did they keep the heads of Kathryn's lovers inside and in an area that she would see them to further instil fear and show there was no way out? 3) When did they know they had all the info from Derham, it seems Derham endured a great deal of torture before painful death. I wonder how did they know when they had gotten all the information there was, they didn't stop till they got Culpepper, but once they had him they stopped? How were they sure there were no others? Maybe we were not told all of what the "letter said" maybe it mentioned Culpepper so they continued the torture till his name was admitted? Do you find this valuable? |
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15. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 10:05 AM EDT
LadyElizabeth I don't agree at all with regard to JRM. You are correc that there was very little talking but you could see this incredible internal struggle going on with him. His shame at being cuckolded, in several scenes his trace of sympathy for Katherine despite what she had done and his recognition that he had been a fool. I think when he tossed his ring in the cup and ordered the party it was him saying: I'm just going to have to move on. He orders the party to help him move on but at the end of that party scene he obviously isn't able to completely wipe Katherine out of his mind.
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LadyElizabeth69 |
16. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 10:21 AM EDT
I can see what you are saying about looking deeper into each part by his facial expressions even though there was not a lot of talking, I guess I just feel that compared to the other episodes this season so far I wasn't as impressed as the others, regarding his acting, in such an important episode.
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Reggie19 |
17. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 11:24 AM EDT
"I was getting annoyed when they kept showing Joan standing right in front of the block and how she tried to keep smiling, I think she was just as guilty also and should have died with the others."I actually quite liked Joan, and toward the end she seemed to be growing wary of the Culpepper affair, especially given her reaction to Kathryn wanting to see him in the previous episode. I think she was smiling to lend strength to her friend, in all honesty, i don't feel she played as massive a part in the affair as Rochford who encouraged it, Joan was just as young and naive as her foolish mistress was. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 11:53 AM EDT
"I kept looking away at some scenes too :( they were so sad.. It reminded me so much back to Anne..Last night was sad in that Kathryn was so young but in the end she was guilty and at least the executioner was quick. I felt Anne's execution more heartbreaking in that I believe she was innocent of adultery, she had to see all the men "accused" with her die including her brother, her father deserted her and finally she left her daughter without a mother and with a dad like Henry I'm sure she wondered how her daughter would fair growing up. Do you find this valuable? |
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LadyElizabeth69 |
19. RE: Reaction to Episode 5 (Spoilers)
May 10 2010, 12:21 PM EDT
"Last night was sad in that Kathryn was so young but in the end she was guilty and at least the executioner was quick. I felt Anne's execution more heartbreaking in that I believe she was innocent of adultery, she had to see all the men "accused" with her die including her brother, her father deserted her and finally she left her daughter without a mother and with a dad like Henry I'm sure she wondered how her daughter would fair growing up."I agree completely... throughout the whole episode all I could think about was back to Anne. Not that Katharine's was any less sad but she was guilty, I too firmly believe that Anne was innocent and in that sense it was even more heartbreaking to watch an innocent woman go through that, and like you said watch other innocent men be executed and the thought of leaving her daughter behind to that type of life... I can't even imagine. Do you find this valuable? |