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KittyHoward |
Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Mar 31 2010, 2:57 PM EDT
I am sooooooo confused... The episode synopses for season 4 make it seem as if she lives? Huh?
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Reggie19 |
1. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Mar 31 2010, 3:20 PM EDT
"I am sooooooo confused... The episode synopses for season 4 make it seem as if she lives? Huh?"That's because Kathryn was initially sent to Syon Abbey when she was demoted from her position of Queen Consort, therefore she momentarily thought she might actually live, as any young girl would. That's probably what the synopsis was referring to, Kathryn's death is too important to overlook. Do you find this valuable? |
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Lady-Anne |
2. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Mar 31 2010, 4:55 PM EDT
Check out this pic: http://tudorswiki.sho.com/photo/9382066/Katherine+Howard+Tower+CostumeIt's from a featurette about the Tower of London. Looks like Kitty is going to have a stay there anyway! Her execution is TOO important, they can't just erase it! I'm pretty confident about it, though confused as you were! Do you find this valuable? |
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LadyElizabeth69 |
3. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Mar 31 2010, 5:37 PM EDT
Also guys check out this video, it shows Katharine at about 1:25 in the tower.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fslkb8b04VM Do you find this valuable? |
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KittyHoward |
4. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Mar 31 2010, 6:34 PM EDT
"That's because Kathryn was initially sent to Syon Abbey when she was demoted from her position of Queen Consort, therefore she momentarily thought she might actually live, as any young girl would. That's probably what the synopsis was referring to, Kathryn's death is too important to overlook."*Nod Nod* I know. But the synopsis mentions her being sent away and then she's not mentioned for the rest of the series in any further episodes...You'd think the synopses would mention her execution? Do you find this valuable? |
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KittyHoward |
5. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Mar 31 2010, 6:35 PM EDT
"Check out this pic: http://tudorswiki.sho.com/photo/9382066/Katherine+Howard+Tower+CostumeOoooohhhh! Lovely pic! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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LadyElizabeth69 |
6. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Mar 31 2010, 6:45 PM EDT
"*Nod Nod* I know. But the synopsis mentions her being sent away and then she's not mentioned for the rest of the series in any further episodes...You'd think the synopses would mention her execution?"I agree, but MsSquirrly posted director notes on here on a different thread that talked about how he went about filming Katherine's execution scene. When the synopses were first released everyone got nervous haha! But she will be executed. Do you find this valuable? |
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KittyHoward |
7. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Mar 31 2010, 8:43 PM EDT
"I agree, but MsSquirrly posted director notes on here on a different thread that talked about how he went about filming Katherine's execution scene.Good. I couldn't imagine an inaccuracy like that! it's her most important moment (and as Kitty herself would agree, she looks stunning in black!) Do you find this valuable? |
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LadyElizabeth69 |
8. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Mar 31 2010, 8:52 PM EDT
"Good. I couldn't imagine an inaccuracy like that! it's her most important moment (and as Kitty herself would agree, she looks stunning in black!)"Yes, you're right! It is her most important moment. And I agree also, when I saw that picture the first time it gave me the chills! Do you find this valuable? |
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supermelisa3149 |
9. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Mar 31 2010, 9:06 PM EDT
If that wasn't included it would be a huge historical inaccuracy because it was Kitty's execution that convinced Elizabeth never to marry (Mary too but we know she changed this once she became queen).
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Elliemental |
10. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Mar 31 2010, 9:42 PM EDT
"If that wasn't included it would be a huge historical inaccuracy because it was Kitty's execution that convinced Elizabeth never to marry (Mary too but we know she changed this once she became queen). "Mary never abandoned hopes of a good marraige, and longed for children of her own. Even with Elizabeth, the execution of Katherine Howard was only one in a number of factors which eventually led to a lifelong vow of celibacy. I don't think anything in history is every quite so simple as that. Do you find this valuable? |
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henry's7thwife |
11. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Mar 31 2010, 11:32 PM EDT
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"That's because Kathryn was initially sent to Syon Abbey when she was demoted from her position of Queen Consort, therefore she momentarily thought she might actually live, as any young girl would. That's probably what the synopsis was referring to, Kathryn's death is too important to overlook."I believe she was offered a loophole by Cranmer, but thought he was baiting her. If she had admitted to a precontract with Dereham, her life would have been spared. Poor kid, not knowing whom to trust and whom not to! Do you find this valuable? |
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henry's7thwife |
12. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Mar 31 2010, 11:46 PM EDT
"Mary never abandoned hopes of a good marraige, and longed for children of her own. Even with Elizabeth, the execution of Katherine Howard was only one in a number of factors which eventually led to a lifelong vow of celibacy. I don't think anything in history is every quite so simple as that."I know many people are not going to share this opinion, but I think that for Elizabeth, it was keeping the throne that became important. Her quote that "I shall have but one mistress here, and no master." to Dudley pretty much sums it up for me. She would have had to submit to a man, and she chose not to. Nevertheless, her father's jumping from one wife to the other, her sister's failed marriage, Thomas Seymour's molestation, etc. must have had a hand in the final decision. Do you find this valuable? |
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KittyHoward |
13. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Apr 1 2010, 12:47 AM EDT
"I believe she was offered a loophole by Cranmer, but thought he was baiting him. If she had admitted to a precontract with Dereham, her life would have been spared. Poor kid, not knowing whom to trust and whom not to!"She was offered a loophole but I don't think she understood that by admitting guilt she would essentially be free. She was scared and alone and had no one that she trusted to advise her. Indeed, Poor kid. Do you find this valuable? |
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Reggie19 |
14. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Apr 1 2010, 5:49 AM EDT
"I believe she was offered a loophole by Cranmer, but thought he was baiting her. If she had admitted to a precontract with Dereham, her life would have been spared. Poor kid, not knowing whom to trust and whom not to!"I wasn't aware she was offered that chance, but its something that only makes me feel more sorry for the poor girl. I mean, whose to say he wasn't trying to lull her into a false sense of security. I think, under the circumstances, and especially given it was Cranmer who reported her indiscretions to the King, the same thoughts would preoccupy my mind. I'm not blaming Cranmer, his duty to tell was an obligation to the King, but i don't think someone as young, and as terrified as Kathryn was, would have seen it that way. Do you find this valuable? |
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Boleynpatentpending |
15. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Apr 1 2010, 6:06 AM EDT
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"I wasn't aware she was offered that chance, but its something that only makes me feel more sorry for the poor girl. I mean, whose to say he wasn't trying to lull her into a false sense of security. I think, under the circumstances, and especially given it was Cranmer who reported her indiscretions to the King, the same thoughts would preoccupy my mind. I'm not blaming Cranmer, his duty to tell was an obligation to the King, but i don't think someone as young, and as terrified as Kathryn was, would have seen it that way."There's a theory put forth that Cranmer got Anne Boleyn to agree to an annulment of the marriage by telling her she would be spared and allowed to go to a nunnery. That theory is based on a report that she cheered up and said she'd be going to a nunnery, after Cranmer visited her in the Tower. On the other hand, Anne was apparently prone to swinging between optimism and despair during her imprisonment so who knows what Cranmer actually told her. Still, I doubt that KH would have been spared no matter what she did. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Reggie19 |
16. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Apr 1 2010, 9:31 AM EDT
"Still, I doubt that KH would have been spared no matter what she did."Rereading my last post, i noticed i phrased it very badly indeed, this is what i get for typing when i'm half asleep, lol! But you are right, Henry's pride was severely damaged by what Kathryn did, some even say were it just Dereham and Mannox, he would have forgiven her, but it was these nightly 'visits' between her and Culpepper that really damaged his ego. While Kathryn was executed for premarital sex, there simply wasn't enough evidence where Culpepper was concerned to convict her of adultery with him, so her past was used to kill her instead. I have my doubts that there was any chance that Kathryn could have gotten away with what she did, it reminds me of the case with Mark Smeaton, where some believe he had been offered his life should he admit to sleeping with the Queen, and we all know what happened to him. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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henry's7thwife |
17. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Apr 1 2010, 10:59 AM EDT
"There's a theory put forth that Cranmer got Anne Boleyn to agree to an annulment of the marriage by telling her she would be spared and allowed to go to a nunnery. That theory is based on a report that she cheered up and said she'd be going to a nunnery, after Cranmer visited her in the Tower. On the other hand, Anne was apparently prone to swinging between optimism and despair during her imprisonment so who knows what Cranmer actually told her. Still, I doubt that KH would have been spared no matter what she did."I think you are right here. And it is highly possible that such an admission would have been used against her. On the other hand, maybe not. But as Reg says, Henry's pride was wounded and he went out of his way to prosecute her. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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henry's7thwife |
18. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Apr 1 2010, 11:03 AM EDT
"Rereading my last post, i noticed i phrased it very badly indeed, this is what i get for typing when i'm half asleep, lol! But you are right, Henry's pride was severely damaged by what Kathryn did, some even say were it just Dereham and Mannox, he would have forgiven her, but it was these nightly 'visits' between her and Culpepper that really damaged his ego. While Kathryn was executed for premarital sex, there simply wasn't enough evidence where Culpepper was concerned to convict her of adultery with him, so her past was used to kill her instead. I have my doubts that there was any chance that Kathryn could have gotten away with what she did, it reminds me of the case with Mark Smeaton, where some believe he had been offered his life should he admit to sleeping with the Queen, and we all know what happened to him."Was not Mark Smeaton offered a more merciful death instead of being disembowelled? I believe that was the deal, rather than a straight offer of freedom or life. Do you find this valuable? |
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Reggie19 |
19. RE: Is Kathryn Howard NOT going to be executed?
Apr 1 2010, 11:38 AM EDT
"Was not Mark Smeaton offered a more merciful death instead of being disembowelled? I believe that was the deal, rather than a straight offer of freedom or life."Yes, that was the case, but some people have mistaken the theory that he would be spared, with the one in which he was offered a quicker death by decapitation. Do you find this valuable? |