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royalfalcon
royalfalcon
40. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 25 2010, 1:58 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2010, 1:58 PM EDT
Thats an interesting little story Periwimkle Do you find this valuable?    
royalfalcon
royalfalcon
41. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 25 2010, 3:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2010, 3:14 PM EDT
Another Animal Tale - this time mainly concerning cats.

Winston Churchill had a strong liking for cats particularly marmalade ones. He apparently requested in his will that there should always be a marmalade cat named Jock in residence at his former home Chartwell. Sir Winston was so fond of cats that they would often sit next to him in a specially reserved seat.

He seems to have been a real softy where animals in general were concerned. He could often be observed when he was writing his memoirs with a budgerigar perched on his head, a ginger cat on his lap and a poodle fast asleep across his feet. I think it shows a very human side to a very public figure.

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periwimkle
42. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 25 2010, 4:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2010, 4:25 PM EDT
"Another Animal Tale - this time mainly concerning cats.

Winston Churchill had a strong liking for cats particularly marmalade ones. He apparently requested in his will that there should always be a marmalade cat named Jock in residence at his former home Chartwell. Sir Winston was so fond of cats that they would often sit next to him in a specially reserved seat.

He seems to have been a real softy where animals in general were concerned. He could often be observed when he was writing his memoirs with a budgerigar perched on his head, a ginger cat on his lap and a poodle fast asleep across his feet. I think it shows a very human side to a very public figure.

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that`s a lovely story about churchill. I have always admired him.. I`ve been to Chartwell, but I don`t remember seeing any cats. He also spent many hours sitting by a fish pond, when he was either writing or paintung.
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Kittywake09
Kittywake09
43. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 25 2010, 5:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2010, 5:43 PM EDT
"Another Animal Tale - this time mainly concerning cats.

Winston Churchill had a strong liking for cats particularly marmalade ones. He apparently requested in his will that there should always be a marmalade cat named Jock in residence at his former home Chartwell. Sir Winston was so fond of cats that they would often sit next to him in a specially reserved seat.

He seems to have been a real softy where animals in general were concerned. He could often be observed when he was writing his memoirs with a budgerigar perched on his head, a ginger cat on his lap and a poodle fast asleep across his feet. I think it shows a very human side to a very public figure.

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That is so sweet, but Winston was rather sparce on top surely the budgies feet would scratch hiim? I have one and his claws are quite sharp.
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freya9
freya9
44. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 25 2010, 6:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2010, 6:09 PM EDT
" Apparently after his execution it was realized there was no official portrait of the Duke. He was, after all acknowledged to be the son of a King. So it was decided to stitch his head back on the body. A tall story or true? you guess is as good as mine. "
This reminded me of another macabre beheading story. During the french revolution one of Marie Antoinette's friends the Princesse de Lamballe was beheaded. The mob decided to put the head on the spike & parade it through the streets but after a while it began to look a bit shabby. So the head was taken into a nearby barbers where it's hair & make up were done to make it presentable.
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Kittywake09
Kittywake09
45. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 25 2010, 6:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2010, 6:42 PM EDT
"This reminded me of another macabre beheading story. During the french revolution one of Marie Antoinette's friends the Princesse de Lamballe was beheaded. The mob decided to put the head on the spike & parade it through the streets but after a while it began to look a bit shabby. So the head was taken into a nearby barbers where it's hair & make up were done to make it presentable."
Sorry to laugh at the misfortune but that is so funny.
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periwimkle
46. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 25 2010, 6:43 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2010, 6:43 PM EDT
"This reminded me of another macabre beheading story. During the french revolution one of Marie Antoinette's friends the Princesse de Lamballe was beheaded. The mob decided to put the head on the spike & parade it through the streets but after a while it began to look a bit shabby. So the head was taken into a nearby barbers where it's hair & make up were done to make it presentable."
that is a very interesting story. must be a French thing.
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AJBates
AJBates
47. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 25 2010, 7:25 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2010, 7:25 PM EDT
"This reminded me of another macabre beheading story. During the french revolution one of Marie Antoinette's friends the Princesse de Lamballe was beheaded. The mob decided to put the head on the spike & parade it through the streets but after a while it began to look a bit shabby. So the head was taken into a nearby barbers where it's hair & make up were done to make it presentable."
Actually I'm pretty sure that they did that before they paraded her around because she was kept in a prison for quite a bit of time before they beheaded her so they took her to a hair dresser to style her hair so that Marie Antoinette could recognize her and "kiss her lover goodbye". Along with parading a few other parts of her body to show to the Queen.
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henry's7thwife
henry's7thwife
48. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 25 2010, 8:08 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2010, 8:08 PM EDT
"Whilst on the subject of Frederick Prince of Wales. In 1738 the poet Alexander Pope gave the Prince a dog with the following inscription on its collar:-

I am His Higness' dog at Kew
Pray tell me sir whose dog are you?
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how cuuuutteee!!! :D
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LadyEmily
LadyEmily
49. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 25 2010, 8:14 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2010, 8:14 PM EDT
I have difficulty in understanding how anyone can find funny what they made to the unfortunate princess of Lamballe.
Because the storie about the bloody French revolution who most traumatized me is exactly the description of the massacre of this innocent woman and this disgusting parade which they made with her poor body mutilated and opened everywhere, described in the book "La chambre" in a particularly realistic and raw way.
Without doubt I am more sensitive to it because I am French.
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AJBates
AJBates
50. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 25 2010, 9:51 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2010, 9:51 PM EDT
Ya it's kinda hard for me to find it humorous for almost anything in the French revolution so many innocent people getting killed just because they were ranked higher then the rest of people. Just no respect for the human body or the dead. Do you find this valuable?    

periwimkle
51. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 25 2010, 9:57 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 25 2010, 9:57 PM EDT
Origin of the phrase "Bridal'
It is a longstanding tradition for principals and guests to consume vast quanities of alcohol at wedding receptions, and the term "bridal' reflects this bibulous heritage. Early medieval marriage celebrations in england were even more notoriously drunken than ours are, and the preferred drink in those days was "ealu", or " ale.' The celebrations, from at least the eleventh century on, was known as "brid-ale", or "bride ale", referring to the ale that was drunk to the bride`s honor. The literal meaning began to be obscured, by the contradition to bridal, sometime in the 13th century.
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Kittywake09
Kittywake09
52. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 26 2010, 6:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2010, 6:14 AM EDT
"I have difficulty in understanding how anyone can find funny what they made to the unfortunate princess of Lamballe.
Because the storie about the bloody French revolution who most traumatized me is exactly the description of the massacre of this innocent woman and this disgusting parade which they made with her poor body mutilated and opened everywhere, described in the book "La chambre" in a particularly realistic and raw way.
Without doubt I am more sensitive to it because I am French."
Lady Emily I am truly very SORRY to have offended you, really I am and apoogise most sincerely to yourself and AJBates. It was the first time I had of this practice and I suppose because of its macabre nature I really thoght that it was a tall story that had gathered into a myth over the years. Once again I am sorry.
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Elliemental
Elliemental
53. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 26 2010, 8:35 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2010, 8:42 AM EDT
I'm not condoning the massacre of the aristocrats during the French Revolution. However, the society they created could not continue. The poor were paying all the taxes, and the wealthy were living ludicrously lavish lifestyles at the expense of the starving millions. Ofcourse they were angry. It was a dreadful situation, just waiting to explode. Explode it certainly did. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
Maggie-AnneB.
Maggie-AnneB.
54. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 26 2010, 11:26 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2010, 11:26 AM EDT
"I'm not condoning the massacre of the aristocrats during the French Revolution. However, the society they created could not continue. The poor were paying all the taxes, and the wealthy were living ludicrously lavish lifestyles at the expense of the starving millions. Ofcourse they were angry. It was a dreadful situation, just waiting to explode. Explode it certainly did."
and besides, it's morbid humor. Come on, no one is REALLY laughing (like, OMG that is the funniest thing I've ever heard) at the executions.
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Elliemental
Elliemental
55. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 26 2010, 11:53 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2010, 11:53 AM EDT
"and besides, it's morbid humor. Come on, no one is REALLY laughing (like, OMG that is the funniest thing I've ever heard) at the executions. "
Precisely Maggie. Often, gallows humour doesn't translate so well, especially over the internet.
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LadyEmily
LadyEmily
56. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 26 2010, 8:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2010, 8:55 PM EDT
As I explained it in a message to Kittywake09, I expressed myself rather hard in my comment because I am particularly touched by the story of this woman and at the time I was moved by reading comments about her story, but with hindsight I understand that it was only some black humor.
To answer at Elliemental, I agree that France needed a change because the ancient system was too inequitable and unegalitarian and could not last, but I hate the way that took place.
Louis XVI, his wife and them son were not responsible for errors of his ancestors and for the system which they established long time ago and did not have to pay for all this.
Besides Louis XVI was ready to negotiate, it was not a tyran, I think he was a good person unlike Henry VIII, he loved his country, his people, his wife and them children.
Marie-Antoinette, the friends of the royal family and all the noble persons of France were innocent and did not deserve to be killed.
Besides, this revolution is ineffective because the monarchy is restored some decades later, then we had several emperors to finish by a change of system gently, thus what's the use of this blood bath of 1789 ?
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AJBates
AJBates
57. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 26 2010, 11:03 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 26 2010, 11:03 PM EDT
Nah it's fine. I understand also it's a bit different also thinking if they were rumored to and did it.

But yeah, they really did almost nothing with it besides kill tons of people. And it wasn't really like it was better for the lower classes at this time either. Just a scary time followed by Louis' brother taking the throne and being in exile, and Napolean crowning himself emperor and tried to revert the court back to pre-reign of terror ways. The main difference I always saw in the court at Versailles and Toulierres (with Napolean) is pretty much the clothing style is very different.
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henry's7thwife
henry's7thwife
58. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 27 2010, 2:13 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 27 2010, 2:13 AM EDT
"As I explained it in a message to Kittywake09, I expressed myself rather hard in my comment because I am particularly touched by the story of this woman and at the time I was moved by reading comments about her story, but with hindsight I understand that it was only some black humor.
To answer at Elliemental, I agree that France needed a change because the ancient system was too inequitable and unegalitarian and could not last, but I hate the way that took place.
Louis XVI, his wife and them son were not responsible for errors of his ancestors and for the system which they established long time ago and did not have to pay for all this.
Besides Louis XVI was ready to negotiate, it was not a tyran, I think he was a good person unlike Henry VIII, he loved his country, his people, his wife and them children.
Marie-Antoinette, the friends of the royal family and all the noble persons of France were innocent and did not deserve to be killed.
Besides, this revolution is ineffective because the monarchy is restored some decades later, then we had several emperors to finish by a change of system gently, thus what's the use of this blood bath of 1789 ? "
I understand where you are coming from. Like Henry, Louis was also concerned for his country and his people and this image of a cruel, uncaring tyrant is uncalled for. Marie was simply another Queen who got caught in the bloodbath. I always think of her as the scapegoat. But when people are unhappy, riots are commonplace. It was mob hysteria and I do not think one should blame the common people for trying to get some freedom.
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Kittywake09
Kittywake09
59. RE: unknown or little known facts
Mar 27 2010, 6:06 AM EDT | Post edited: Mar 27 2010, 6:06 AM EDT
Now for a different period in time. - 1047

Matilda of Flanders was very petite probably around 4 foot tall and when she was sixteen when William the Conqueror proposed (he was around 20) she refused but he galloped to her father's house in Lille and set about her. He knocked her down, grabbed her plaits, pulled her around the room and give her a good round kicking. He left her to reoncisder his offer. Of course she agreed.

Who said the age of chivalry is dead?
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