"There is another great quote in history, and tragically I don't have it to hand and can't even remember who said it. But went something a long the lines of "that goggle-eyed *****", and was used to describe Anne Boleyn."

"Several points:

a. I admit More's "feather bed" statement sounds strange to modern ears, but obviously Roper put it in because he thought contemporary readers would understand it and find it commendable.

b. When there was such poor medical care, it made sense to look to religion for some hope and comfort.

c. A sick or troubled person might think God has turned from him or is punishing him (not that I think that), but if he thinks about Christ's sufferings, maybe his own sufferings while not understandable might seem more bearable.

d. It is a groping for meaning in suffering. Otherwise should he say your suffering is pointless or maybe quote Job's wife: "Curse God and die!"

Just a few Lenten thoughts of mine..... :)

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"Reggie said: LMFAO... i can't even understand what the heck that quote meant, but i had a funny feeling it was no different from saying "Suck it up" =P

You replied: That basically is what More is saying there. In not so many words.

The main point I wanted to make in my last post was that More's thought was more subtle than just "suck it up."

"And now to bed" as Samuel Pepys would have written...."

"If that is the post that you were responding to, then why did you not quote it? You quoted a completely different post and I was responding to that. I always get the feeling, when speaking with you, that you are trying to score points. Now that maybe just me, but we're not in the playground here, so play your games with someone else, please."

"No, Wolsey called Anne "the midnight crow". The quote I refer to is from during Anne's actual reign (which began three years after Wolsey's fall. The words were spoken quite openly, by one of KoA's staunch supporters."

"Hey Elliemental, I am dying to know if it was indeed Margaret Chancellor (?sp) who said that Goggle-eyed wh*re and then "God Save Queen Katherine" in front of several courtiers. I don't have my copy of Ives' "The Life and Death of Anne Boleyn" but apparently he quotes Margaret saying this - on page 200. The footnote numbered 53 will tell us his source. I can't wait until 5pm to get home to check my copy - does anyone have it handy to check for me? Pretty please~?"