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Kittywake09
Kittywake09
60. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 2:33 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 2:33 PM EST
"The end crownth the work" Elizabeth 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
CarolineZ
CarolineZ
61. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 5:38 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 5:38 PM EST
Lady Alice to her husband Thomas More:

"Master More, I marvel that you, who have always been taken for such a wise man, should now play such a fool as to lie here in this tiny, filthy prison and be content to be shut up with rats and mice when you could be about and at your liberty." 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
royalfalcon
royalfalcon
62. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 5:43 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 5:43 PM EST
"Be very careful what you put into his head, because you will never ever get it out again."

Thomas Wolsey 4  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
jrmslady09
jrmslady09
63. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 5:47 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 5:47 PM EST
"I beg you earnestly to pray for the king, tell him I died his good servant but, God's first."- Sir Thomas More
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jrmslady09
jrmslady09
64. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 5:48 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 5:48 PM EST
"Now don't be too modest Thomas you're not a saint."- King Henry VIII Do you find this valuable?    
juliana-angela
juliana-angela
65. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 6:03 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 6:03 PM EST
"Frankly, sir, if I had two heads, then one would be at his Majesty's service: alas, I only have this one' Christina of Milan. How could i forget that one? Brilliant quote!"
In a similar vein, Mary of Guise, on being told that Henry thought her a suitable wife because she was a tall, well-built woman:

"I may be a big girl, but I only have a little neck!" 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
CarolineZ
CarolineZ
66. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 6:17 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 6:24 PM EST
From the Tudor series:

One of his counselors says something to King Henry about More's conscience. Henry cuts him off with exasperation saying, "Don't tell me about his conscience!--he's been wearing it on his sleeve for years!" 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
jrmslady09
jrmslady09
67. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 7:31 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 7:31 PM EST
It was Cromwell reading a letter that More's wife wrote to the Henry. Do you find this valuable?    
CarolineZ
CarolineZ
68. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 7:57 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 7:57 PM EST
"It was Cromwell reading a letter that More's wife wrote to the Henry."
You have a better memory than I do! Do you find this valuable?    
Elliemental
Elliemental
69. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 8:03 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 8:03 PM EST
Cromwell's prayer at the block: "Oh father, when these eyes shall lose thier use, I pray that the eyes of the soul will see unto thee".
(Said in real life, and on the show). 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
CarolineZ
CarolineZ
70. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 8:04 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 8:04 PM EST
From William Roper's biography of his father-in-law Thomas More:
"If his wife or any of his children had been diseased, or troubled, he would say to them. 'We may not look at our pleasure to go to heaven in feather beds, it is not the way. For our Lord himself went thither with great pain, and by many tribulations, which is the path wherein he walked thither, and the servant may not look to be in better case than his Master.'" Do you find this valuable?    
LadyVespasia
LadyVespasia
71. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 8:10 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 8:12 PM EST
"I know how I got there and it wasn't all you! It was not all you, or Norfolk, or George or any man! It was also me. He fell in love with me; he respected me and my opinions." Queen Anne to her father:

Well said, Queen Anne, well said! 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
Elliemental
Elliemental
72. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 8:13 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 8:13 PM EST
"From William Roper's biography of his father-in-law Thomas More:
"If his wife or any of his children had been diseased, or troubled, he would say to them. 'We may not look at our pleasure to go to heaven in feather beds, it is not the way. For our Lord himself went thither with great pain, and by many tribulations, which is the path wherein he walked thither, and the servant may not look to be in better case than his Master.'" "
Crickey, More must have been a real comfort to the sick and dying while spouting that nonsense at them. 1  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
CarolineZ
CarolineZ
73. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 8:14 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 8:14 PM EST
From William Roper's biography of his father-in-law Thomas More:

"Now upon this resignment of his office came Sir Thomas Cromwell (then in the King's high favour) to Chelsea to him on a message from the King, wherein when they had throughly communed together, 'Mr. Cromwell' (quoth he), 'you are now entered into the service of a most noble, wise, and liberal prince; if you will follow my poor advice you shall, in council giving unto his Grace, ever tell him what he ought to do, but never tell him what he is able to do, so shall you show yourself a true faithful servant, and a right worthy Councillor. For if the lion knew his own strength, hard were it for any man to rule him.'" Do you find this valuable?    

Reggie19
74. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 8:14 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 8:14 PM EST
"Crickey, More must have been a real comfort to the sick and dying while spouting that nonsense at them."
LMFAO... i can't even understand what the heck that quote meant, but i had a funny feeling it was no different from saying "Suck it up" =P Do you find this valuable?    
CarolineZ
CarolineZ
75. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 8:15 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 8:15 PM EST
"Crickey, More must have been a real comfort to the sick and dying while spouting that nonsense at them."
I thought you might take it that way!:) Do you find this valuable?    
Elliemental
Elliemental
76. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 8:19 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 8:19 PM EST
There is another great quote in history, and tragically I don't have it to hand and can't even remember who said it. But went something a long the lines of "that goggle-eyed *****", and was used to describe Anne Boleyn. Do you find this valuable?    
Elliemental
Elliemental
77. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 8:22 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 8:34 PM EST
"I thought you might take it that way!:)"
Even I, with my sardonic humour and utter refusal to suffer a fool, could do a better job at tact and sensitivity than that.

A much better quote of More's: "I pray you, Master Lietenant, see me safe up, and for my coming down let me shift for myself". (After stumbling on the steps of the shoddily constructed scaffold). Do you find this valuable?    
Elliemental
Elliemental
78. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 8:42 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 8:42 PM EST
"LMFAO... i can't even understand what the heck that quote meant, but i had a funny feeling it was no different from saying "Suck it up" =P "
That basically is what More is saying there. In not so many words!! Do you find this valuable?    
CarolineZ
CarolineZ
79. RE: favorite Tudor quotes
Feb 23 2010, 9:20 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 23 2010, 9:20 PM EST
"Even I, with my sardonic humour and utter refusal to suffer a fool, could do a better job at tact and sensitivity than that.

A much better quote of More's: "I pray you, Master Lietenant, see me safe up, and for my coming down let me shift for myself". (After stumbling on the steps of the shoddily constructed scaffold)."
Several points:

a. I admit More's "feather bed" statement sounds strange to modern ears, but obviously Roper put it in because he thought contemporary readers would understand it and find it commendable.

b. When there was such poor medical care, it made sense to look to religion for some hope and comfort.

c. A sick or troubled person might think God has turned from him or is punishing him (not that I think that), but if he thinks about Christ's sufferings, maybe his own sufferings while not understandable might seem more bearable.

d. It is a groping for meaning in suffering. Otherwise should he say your suffering is pointless or maybe quote Job's wife: "Curse God and die!"

Just a few Lenten thoughts of mine..... :)

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