":D Exactly.
They posed a threat to the Crown and needed to be dealt with. I don't think any monarch would have laughed off the Pilgrimmage. They may have called themselves "Pilgrims", but they were still armed to the teeth.
Also, if you look at the aims of the Pilgrimmage, one of thier aims was to replace Cromwell and Cranmer et al, not because of the reforms, but because they were low-born. That has always jarred with me. "

"That is true in those times status was well....EVERYTHING!!! But still I don't see the merit in killing someone just because the were born low and have been raised higher that in the deserving of being killed is determined by two things,reasons, or whatever.
(1) How did get to the top by honorable or more dishonorable means?
(2) What have you done since being there that make people dislike or like you given that no two people think alike?
Think about and the fact that Cromwell lied to Henry as far as Cramner goes he just seem to go along with the flow of the reformation. At least that is how I am reading I could wrong and I don't mind if I am and if I am corrected I count it as knowledge gained by, a good and honest mean."

"As for Thomas More having value for human life, that's a laugh! He put people to death, just like any other who had the power in those days. He had no consideration for his family either, which is why he did not sign that "piece of paper", and he proved himself disloyal to his friend as well by not signing it.

Back to Charles Brandon, I am simply wondering how one puts down a rebellion ... by being nice to people and saying "haha, don't do it next time, okay? It was fun just this once!" ??? Of course, rebellions spell death. Whatever can Charles or Catherine DO about it!!"

"That is true in those times status was well....EVERYTHING!!! But still I don't see the merit in killing someone just because the were born low and have been raised higher that in the deserving of being killed is determined by two things,reasons, or whatever.
(1) How did get to the top by honorable or more dishonorable means?
(2) What have you done since being there that make people dislike or like you given that no two people think alike?
Think about and the fact that Cromwell lied to Henry as far as Cramner goes he just seem to go along with the flow of the reformation. At least that is how I am reading I could wrong and I don't mind if I am and if I am corrected I count it as knowledge gained by, a good and honest mean."

"Didn't Cranmer briefly recant his beliefs? I could have sworn he did?"

"And then he recanted the recantation. And when they lit the pyre, he thrust the hand that signed the recantation into the flames first, saying that that hand had sinned grievously, and deserved to be punished first."

"Cranmer was pivotal in the reformation. He wrote the most famous English prayer book, ran the risk of bringing his illegal wife into the country and also, he willingly died an extremely painful death all for the sake of his faith. He was very active in bringing Reforms about, and it simply wouldn't have happenned without him, (or indeed Cromwell, despite him only being a layman)."

"I have to agree with you on the bigotry that was thomas more. and really why make one man look a saint when he wasn't because personally the Duke of Norfolk put down a rebellion good point,bad point had a hand in pushing his family into a position of power that it was well not suited for. Brandon, love the guy but you make the choice you got to live with the chance of it biting you in the a** whether it will or not is up to fate and God!!! For the record though I think it is kind of biting him already I mean it looks like his marriage is going south really fast because he letting one mistake lead him towards others that is ambition dictates his actions and his devout loyalty Henry which he will do ANYTHING to maintain!!!"