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Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 3 2010, 2:12 PM EST
I was watching the new promo for season four (a really good quality version is on the sho.com main site) and was wondering if anyone else thought that perhaps they are making her bisexual...she seems to be sleeping and cuddling with another girl, but I'm pretty positive it isn't lady rochford. Hum...who knows!
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Jes89 |
1. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 3 2010, 2:20 PM EST
"I was watching the new promo for season four (a really good quality version is on the sho.com main site) and was wondering if anyone else thought that perhaps they are making her bisexual...she seems to be sleeping and cuddling with another girl, but I'm pretty positive it isn't lady rochford. Hum...who knows!"isn't her, i think like you, also i wonder if they will show her as just a teen B**** or will make her justice and show her a a teeen queen. Do you find this valuable? |
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KathrynH8T |
2. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 3 2010, 8:40 PM EST
"I was watching the new promo for season four (a really good quality version is on the sho.com main site) and was wondering if anyone else thought that perhaps they are making her bisexual...she seems to be sleeping and cuddling with another girl, but I'm pretty positive it isn't lady rochford. Hum...who knows!"She was premiscuous and being how young she was, her lifestyle was of a wide range... i can see why they might portray her as bisexual. In the promo, the girl she was cuddling with looked like Anne stanhope Edwards wife, but i`m not sure Do you find this valuable? |
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EverythingTudor |
3. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 10:46 AM EST
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That wouldn't surprise me if they did that with Anne Stanhope after her affair with eye patch guy. But, maybe it is a flashback to when she lived at the Duchess's. She did room with a lot of girls there and could have shared a bed with them. They might do that to bring in Dereham, who she had realtions with before she came to court.
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Elliemental |
4. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 11:39 AM EST
Katherine Howard wasn`t that promiscuous, the reletionship between She and Culpeper probably went no further than words, and before Henry there was only Dereham and Henry Manox (another doubtful one). I`m far more annoyed by Howard being portrayed as a prostitute. On top of that, eveyone keeps calling her Kitty, and it`s all becoming too much. The whole situation is just ridiculous.
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Reggie19 |
5. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 1:31 PM EST
"She was premiscuous and being how young she was, her lifestyle was of a wide range... i can see why they might portray her as bisexual. In the promo, the girl she was cuddling with looked like Anne stanhope Edwards wife, but i`m not sure"A wide range? The Buggery Law prevented homosexual acts long before Kathryn Howard was old enough to even understand what sex was. This is why i have always had issues where the George Boleyn and Mark Smeaton relationship was concerned. It was hard to keep ANY relationship under wraps, never mind a same-sex relationship in those days. Not only that, but due to their devout faith, such activities, as Jane Parker so clearly pointed out were a "Sin against God, a sin against nature". If either Boleyn, Smeaton or Howard had such relations with anyone, it would have been known. This is just taking her story completely out of context, yet another historical figure torn to shreds for the sake of ratings. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Reggie19 |
6. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 1:32 PM EST
"On top of that, eveyone keeps calling her Kitty, and it`s all becoming too much. The whole situation is just ridiculous."Kitty did confuse me at first, i have to say, because here in Ireland we use that nickname for women named Kathleen, lol! I called my Nan Kitty for that reason! Do you find this valuable? |
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Nofretete |
7. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 1:39 PM EST
"A wide range? The Buggery Law prevented homosexual acts long before Kathryn Howard was old enough to even understand what sex was. This is why i have always had issues where the George Boleyn and Mark Smeaton relationship was concerned. It was hard to keep ANY relationship under wraps, never mind a same-sex relationship in those days. Not only that, but due to their devout faith, such activities, as Jane Parker so clearly pointed out were a "Sin against God, a sin against nature". If either Boleyn, Smeaton or Howard had such relations with anyone, it would have been known. This is just taking her story completely out of context, yet another historical figure torn to shreds for the sake of ratings."Hmmm, I think people who weren't straight did find ways even back then. Wasn't Charles II even openly bi-sexual? I must admit I can actually imagine Katherine Howard experimenting a little with one of the other girls at the Dowager Duchesses home. It was common to share beds, that would have made it easy. And I believe sexual relations between women weren't viewed nearly as bad or sinful as sexual relations between men (for whatever reason). Do you find this valuable? |
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Reggie19 |
8. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 1:41 PM EST
"And I believe sexual relations between women weren't viewed nearly as bad or sinful as sexual relations between men (for whatever reason)."Odd... i thought it would have been considered equal, if not more sinful, for women to behave in such a way? Do you find this valuable? |
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Nofretete |
9. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 1:50 PM EST
"Odd... i thought it would have been considered equal, if not more sinful, for women to behave in such a way?"I think in a Starkey documentary I heard that women were viewed as helpless when it came to sexual temptation and seduction. It was thought to be not really their fault, as they couldn't resist out of natural womanly weakness of mind or something. (I think Katherine actually made that claim, saying Culpepper had seduced her) The double standard between men and women when it comes to homosexual relationships still exists today I think. Gay men are viewed as less manly than straight men and they experience hostile behavior towards them much more often than gay women do it seems to me. Do you find this valuable? |
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Maggie-AnneB. |
10. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 2:26 PM EST
"Hmmm, I think people who weren't straight did find ways even back then. Wasn't Charles II even openly bi-sexual?"Not from what I've read. One of his daughters with Lady Castlemine (Anne, the Countess of Sussex) had a lesbian relationship with one of Charles' mistresses, Hortensen Mancini. Other than that, I've never read anything about Charles being bisexual. But then again, Lady Castlemine and him had a kinky relationship. She was actually quite nasty. O_O Do you find this valuable? |
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Nofretete |
11. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 2:36 PM EST
"Not from what I've read. One of his daughters with Lady Castlemine (Anne, the Countess of Sussex) had a lesbian relationship with one of Charles' mistresses, Hortensen Mancini. Other than that, I've never read anything about Charles being bisexual. But then again, Lady Castlemine and him had a kinky relationship. She was actually quite nasty. O_O"Perhaps I'm confusing him with someone else? I'm not sure. Do you find this valuable? |
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Maggie-AnneB. |
12. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 2:40 PM EST
"Perhaps I'm confusing him with someone else? I'm not sure."Don't worry. I do it all the time! James I was a bisexual man. And it is believed that Charles I was also. But who knows really? Do you find this valuable? |
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Nofretete |
13. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 2:47 PM EST
"Don't worry. I do it all the time!True, who knows really. They would not have been open about it, if they were. That might have been dangerous even for a king! But I still think Katherine Howard possibly portrayed as bisexual is not really a bad thing. The prostitute vibes annoy me much more. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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EverythingTudor |
14. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 4:52 PM EST
I agree about the prostitute vibes. Katheryn Howard was young and had very bad judgement. I think it is sad really. What do you think about the theory that her uncle Norfolk pushed her into a relationship with Culpepper in the hopes of her having a son, and passing him off as the Duke of York? That would have secured their place if Henry wasn't able to have anymore children. It's an interesting thought.
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juliana-angela |
15. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 4:58 PM EST
"Don't worry. I do it all the time!James 1 was probably gay - he was certainly very keen on handsome young men and had no known mistresses, although he married Anne of Denmark and had a bunch of kids. Not so sure about Charles I and Charles 11 seems to have rampantly heterosexual. William 111 may have been bisexual in inclination if not in practice. Do you find this valuable? |
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Nofretete |
16. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 5:00 PM EST
"I agree about the prostitute vibes. Katheryn Howard was young and had very bad judgement. I think it is sad really. What do you think about the theory that her uncle Norfolk pushed her into a relationship with Culpepper in the hopes of her having a son, and passing him off as the Duke of York? That would have secured their place if Henry wasn't able to have anymore children. It's an interesting thought."I think Norfolk was much too sensible and careful for something dangerous like that. He almost got his head cut off without actually being involved as it was. And he had been fairly secure in Henry's favour for decades, so why risk that? 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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EverythingTudor |
17. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 5:04 PM EST
That makes sense, though he didn't mind supporting Katheryn when she was in Henry VIII's favor. The one thing I really liked about the teaser trailer (besides the lovely costumes) is that they are showing Katheryn very fun and lively (such as her dancing at court, etc). I think that is really how she was, and why Henry really fell for her. I hope that the show doesn't just focus on her as a sexual character. By the way, has anyone heard anything about her execution? Or have there been any new behind the scenes photos of Katheryn? There has been a nice one of Joley and I'm hoping we can see more of the other characters. Do you find this valuable? |
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Maggie-AnneB. |
18. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Jan 4 2010, 6:03 PM EST
"By the way, has anyone heard anything about her execution? Or have there been any new behind the scenes photos of Katheryn? There has been a nice one of Joley and I'm hoping we can see more of the other characters."No I haven't! I hope Hirst is true to history, in that Kathryn was pretty brave throughout it all. She supposedly asked the Constable to bring in the block so that she could practice. I remember when I was younger, I always thought that was snobbish, but now I admire her for that. :D Do you find this valuable? |
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Lady.In.Red |
19. RE: Kitty Howard's...sexuality
Feb 9 2010, 4:24 PM EST
Of what Tudor facts I do know, young girls of the court (such as Kathryn) would have often shared beds with other girls. This was supposedly to ensure that they didn't 'get up to anything' in bed. However this would've only really applied to woman unmarried so I'm not so sure if this is reason why. The Tudors does have a habit of stretching the truth or altering storylines for the purpose of good tv.
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