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AnnofCleves |
Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 23 2009, 12:54 AM EDT
I would like to see where Henry8's children each has there turn on the thronefirst would Edward VI 1547-1553 then Mary 1553-1558 then Elizabeth 1558-1603 this wuld end the tudor line on the throne I hope they do this it would be great to see they would ruled 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?
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theothertudorgirl |
1. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 23 2009, 7:26 AM EDT
"I would like to see where Henry8's children each has there turn on the throneMichael Hirst wanted to do Edward and Mary's reigns as well as the first Tudor Monarch, Henry VII, but Showtime said that they will only do four seasons finishing with Catherine Parr and the death of Henry VIII. I was a bit upset that we wouldn't get to see some of the other Tudors as the show is called The TUDORS not The TUDOR. Oh, Hirst did mention that he didn't want to do Elizabeth because she is done to death or in other words go and watch the movies that I wrote the screenplay for! 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
DuchessRLR |
2. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 23 2009, 9:59 AM EDT
Pity Showtime doesnt want to do a spin off with the childrens' lives-granted there isnt 6 wives to one king, but there is plenty of scandal. That and the fact that no one has really done anything with Mary.
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Willowsmom |
3. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 23 2009, 2:53 PM EDT
"Pity Showtime doesnt want to do a spin off with the childrens' lives-granted there isnt 6 wives to one king, but there is plenty of scandal. That and the fact that no one has really done anything with Mary."What I would like to see is not just a series about the various Tudors but one about the Wars of the Roses. You couldn't make the stuff up. Henry VI, a schizophrenic king who only wanted to be a monk, the rightful heir, the Duke of York wronged by the king's wife called the She Wolf of France, his swashbuckling son 6'4" Edward IV after finding his father and brother had been ambushed and killed quickly went on to defeat his rivals in the most bloody battle ever fought on English soil, in a blinding snowstorm no less, his defying his royal council and making a secret marriage to a stunningly beautiful but ruthlessly ambitious widow who by the way had a host of greedy siblings, and whose husband had died fighting him. The Kingmaker's outrage and rebellion and how he was forced to make nice with the former queen whose virtue and the paternity of her son he had frequently and openly called into question,(in other words they hated each other), his invasion and the midnight escape of E4 to Flanders while his wife was forced to take refuge in Westminister Abbey where she finally bore him a son, his return and defeat of his former friend and now bitter enemy, the Kingmaker, Richard, Earl of Warwick. On E4's death info came to light that still sparks controversy, that his marriage was invalid because he had been troth-plithed to another woman when he married his queen, ( he was a handsome hunk and a notorious womanizer), making his heir a bastard and therefore unfit for the throne. The mystery of what happened to his two sons the famous Princes in the Tower. His much wrongly maligned younger brother Richard then taking the throne as Richard III and his heroic stand at Bosworth Field against the future Henry VII where he came within yards of dispatching Henry personally before he was killed by a blow to the back, his last word being "Treason!", not "A horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse" as Shakespeare wrote. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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silversummer |
4. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 23 2009, 4:25 PM EDT
I agree, they could have started way back, elizabeths story is over done but so is henry viii, the war of the roses isn't. don't get me wrong i watch all of them i enjoy henry and elizabeth but they could have made this show bigger and longer by starting with the war of the roses and ending with elizabeth, they could have also ended it when elizabeths reighn started if they didn't want to do her whole life. this is the only thing i was disappointed over
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BoleynGirl |
5. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 23 2009, 5:21 PM EDT
I hope that the show will be continued...
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DuchessGrey |
6. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 23 2009, 8:50 PM EDT
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I would love to see a series based on the War of the Roses. Now there is an event in history that could go on for several seasons. However, I would like to see it protrayed more historically accurate. The Tudors was too inaccurate and played out more like a soap opera than an actual depictition of real history. Sorry, Jonathan Rhys Meyers, but many of us do want to see things played out historically accurate, especially those of us that directly descend from these people.The trouble is that you can not do these sorts of shows with movie channels. All Showtime wants to see are shows that depict people doing nothing but getting laid. No real substance. And, writers who want to make ficitonal soap operas. It truly is ashame. 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Willowsmom |
7. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 23 2009, 11:58 PM EDT
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"I would love to see a series based on the War of the Roses. Now there is an event in history that could go on for several seasons. However, I would like to see it protrayed more historically accurate. The Tudors was too inaccurate and played out more like a soap opera than an actual depictition of real history. Sorry, Jonathan Rhys Meyers, but many of us do want to see things played out historically accurate, especially those of us that directly descend from these people.I couldn't agree more. I hate to see historical events dressed up until they are barely recognizable. Isn't the real thing good enough? Better as far as I'm concerned to understand the actual motives and actions of these people as they were actually lived. It's like the creators of these shows think people aren't smart enough to understand the real thing. To me, because it IS the real thing it is ten times better. And they would be perfectly accurate depicting Edward IV getting laid quite frequently. P.S. DuchessGrey, I love your avatar. Elizabeth of York never gets enough credit for putting up with Henry VII for so many years. I could be wrong here, but I don't think so: she was far more deeply mourned than her husband. She was a compassionate soul with class. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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DuchessGrey |
8. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 24 2009, 12:26 PM EDT
Exactly. The real history is more exciting than anything writers could make up. Thank you! That is one of my favorite portaits. People say it makes Elizabeth of York look cold, however, there is a lot of depth there. Do you find this valuable? |
kiki52 |
9. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 24 2009, 2:32 PM EDT
I have to agree with the previous posts. As for Elizabeth of York, I wonder what the historical Henry VIII would have been like if his Mother had lived. In an alternate universe, I'd show Elizabeth getting to enjoy herself after the death of her husband and mother in law. Perhaps she'd go 'cougar' and seduce Charles Brandon before he could court Princess Mary. If only...I don't think Henry would have dared divorce KoA if his Momma had been alive.
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carolants |
10. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 25 2009, 4:15 PM EDT
you sure do know your stuff Willows mom what you said and the story is brilliant,and I would love to see it on screen acted out by the same way the tudors have been.I have alway been a keen tudors history fanatic and knew a little bit about how it was before there time and Henry vii starting the House of Tudor. Do you find this valuable? |
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carolants |
11. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 25 2009, 4:29 PM EDT
"I would love to see a series based on the War of the Roses. Now there is an event in history that could go on for several seasons. However, I would like to see it protrayed more historically accurate. The Tudors was too inaccurate and played out more like a soap opera than an actual depictition of real history. Sorry, Jonathan Rhys Meyers, but many of us do want to see things played out historically accurate, especially those of us that directly descend from these people.Reading your post and am fascinated by what you said about people who are directly descend from these people,is that you DuchessGrey,please tell. If it is you what way are you desended to them I would be really intrested to discuss with you anyway Do you find this valuable? |
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Willowsmom |
12. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 26 2009, 3:10 AM EDT
"I have to agree with the previous posts. As for Elizabeth of York, I wonder what the historical Henry VIII would have been like if his Mother had lived. In an alternate universe, I'd show Elizabeth getting to enjoy herself after the death of her husband and mother in law. Perhaps she'd go 'cougar' and seduce Charles Brandon before he could court Princess Mary. If only...I don't think Henry would have dared divorce KoA if his Momma had been alive."I have to agree. H8 and his mother were reputedly quite close and he spent a lot of time with her growing up, H7's favorite was quite obviously the eldest son Arthur, Henry was never expected to inherit the throne. Elizabeth was said to have greatly loved K of A, treating her very kindly, welcoming her warmly into the family and I am sure would have been a voice in her favor. Though no one ever mentions it, H7 was a pretty scrawny guy and H8 quite the opposite, likely taking after his maternal grandfather the 6'4" Edward IV. Elizabeth probably saw a lot of her family in him growing up. Being Edward IV's grandson could account for a lot of the womanizing, LOL. I always felt Elizabeth died too soon and history might have been quite different had she outlived her husband and mother-in-law. Do you find this valuable? |
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Willowsmom |
13. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 26 2009, 4:05 AM EDT
"you sure do know your stuff Willows mom what you said and the story is brilliant,and I would love to see it on screen acted out by the same way the tudors have been.Thank you very much. Believe me, I've only scratched the surface, don't get me started. For some reason that period of history has been fascinating to me for years. I was a member of the Richard III Society, so you can see where my sympathies lay. I let my membership lapse but I am still a Ricardian at heart. Paul Murray Kendall did a wonderful book, objective, eloquent and scholarly, "Richard III", he has also done two others "The Yorkist Age" and "Warwick, the Kingmaker", which I highly recommend.. Then there is also Josephine Tey's intriguing novel "The Daughter of Time.", which is an easy read with a slightly different take, but a similar conclusion. There are others, but, to me, those are the best, starting the whole movement to clear Richards's name and set the record straight. For another absolutely marvelous novel Sharon Kay Penman's "The Sunne in Splendour" gets you up close and personal and sticks pretty much to the facts. I cried the last 100 pages. It is not to be missed. Do you find this valuable? |
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theothertudorgirl |
14. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 26 2009, 7:10 AM EDT
I love the War of The Roses and Elizabeth Woodville is my favourite Queen ever. I agree that the time is so interesting but I do feel it needs to be more historically accurate. I enjoy the Tudors do not get me wrong but they constantly make things up, makes me want to bang my head against a table. It would definately need to be a TV show considering the length of the time. And anyway, they could still have all the sex on the show with Edward IV. I honestly can't believe Woodville put up with it. I think thought if they did a show about it they would need to start with Henry VI then all the way to when Henry VIII was crowned. I remember Starkey saying that the war was never won until Henry came on the throne as the York's wouldn't hurt him (except the occasional few) because he was so much like his grandfather, Edward IV of York, and the Lancastrian's wouldn't as they viewed the throne as more theirs. I would love to see a young KOA as well, especially with Arthur to see how they handle that 'situation'. Do you find this valuable? |
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Willowsmom |
15. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
May 26 2009, 6:36 PM EDT
"I love the War of The Roses and Elizabeth Woodville is my favourite Queen ever. I agree that the time is so interesting but I do feel it needs to be more historically accurate. I enjoy the Tudors do not get me wrong but they constantly make things up, makes me want to bang my head against a table. It would definately need to be a TV show considering the length of the time. And anyway, they could still have all the sex on the show with Edward IV. I honestly can't believe Woodville put up with it.Thanks for sending the compliment. A PBS mini-series over several seasons would be great and likely to hew more closely to the facts while being great entertainment.. So it seems we have a consensus here about a historically accurate series about the Wars of the Roses. We could have the heads of the Duke of York and his son Edmund rotting on the city gates of York, George being drowned in a butt of malmsey , the Woodvilles, Warwick as Captain of Calais. Proud Cis, the Rose of Raby standing heroically alone with her small children in the town square against the whole Lancastrian army to try to save the town from pillage and ruin. Edward IV riding into London and being made king by popular acclimation after Mortimer's Cross where a sign from the heavens of three suns had appeared. You could have a delicious Margaret of Anjou and a great Richard, The possibilities are almost endless. Do you find this valuable? |
ElizabethWoodville |
16. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
Nov 27 2011, 2:39 PM EST
"I love the War of The Roses and Elizabeth Woodville is my favourite Queen ever. I agree that the time is so interesting but I do feel it needs to be more historically accurate. I enjoy the Tudors do not get me wrong but they constantly make things up, makes me want to bang my head against a table. It would definately need to be a TV show considering the length of the time. And anyway, they could still have all the sex on the show with Edward IV. I honestly can't believe Woodville put up with it.Same here :p I luv Elizabeth Woodville and I can find her an intriguing character Do you find this valuable? |
aparadiso |
17. RE: Tudors continue after the death of Henry 8 with children rule each the
Nov 28 2011, 8:07 PM EST
I definitely agree. My Mom, Grandma, and myself are huge Tudor fans and would have loved to have seen the Tudors, Henry VII to Elizabeth. Oh, and by the way, you can never get enough of Elizabeth. Every movie about her is amazing and never dull. But, they definitely should have started with Henry VIII's Father, to Henry VIII, Edward, Lady Jane (since she was Queen for 9 days), Mary, and then Elizabeth. It was probably more of a ratings/money thing then anything else. However, we can always wish! At least we got 4 seasons of Henry VIII. Thanks for reading. Anthony (my site is www.thetudormonarch.com).
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