"Linda Porter, in her new biography of Mary says only that he was Duke Phillip of Bavaria, a German Lutheran who professed never to have been to a Mass. He was thirteen years Mary's senior. Mary was not minded to marry, but would comply with whatever her father's wishes were. Phillip did seem to be sincerely interested in Mary for herself. She was still a bastard, and would have no claim on the throne of England and her dowry was not impressive. He insisted on conducting his wooing in person, even though he spoke no English and she no German. They met in the gardens of the Abbot of Westminster. They communicated in German through an interpreter for part of the conversation and in their common language of Latin for the rest. He did give her a spontaneous kiss, and presented Mary with a magnificent diamond cross with a pendant pearl as proof of his affection. Phillip pressed his suit, until negotions were abruptly broken off. Henry was at that time more involved in freeing himself from the Cleves marriage. The diamond cross was sent to Cromwell, according to Carolly Erickson in her book "Bloody Mary". "

"There is a list of Bavarian dukes on the German wikipedia ranging from the year 548 to 1918 and there was not a single Phillip in all that time. I suspect he might not have been a duke and they just translated whatever his title was into duke in English when in fact he was something different. Or he was just some duke's brother."

"What? Cromwell? Uhm, that's oddly nice/mean.... "

"Linda Porter, in her new biography of Mary says only that he was Duke Phillip of Bavaria, a German Lutheran who professed never to have been to a Mass. He was thirteen years Mary's senior. Mary was not minded to marry, but would comply with whatever her father's wishes were. Phillip did seem to be sincerely interested in Mary for herself. She was still a bastard, and would have no claim on the throne of England and her dowry was not impressive. He insisted on conducting his wooing in person, even though he spoke no English and she no German. They met in the gardens of the Abbot of Westminster. They communicated in German through an interpreter for part of the conversation and in their common language of Latin for the rest. He did give her a spontaneous kiss, and presented Mary with a magnificent diamond cross with a pendant pearl as proof of his affection. Phillip pressed his suit, until negotions were abruptly broken off. Henry was at that time more involved in freeing himself from the Cleves marriage. The diamond cross was sent to Cromwell, according to Carolly Erickson in her book "Bloody Mary". "

"AD do Linda Porter or Carolly Erickson give primary sources for their information? I am having a hard time finding anything on this character. Also if its ok, I was going to use your text for his profile here on the wiki."

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_of_Hesse

Is this the dude we're talking about? :-)"

"AD do Linda Porter or Carolly Erickson give primary sources for their information? I am having a hard time finding anything on this character. Also if its ok, I was going to use your text for his profile here on the wiki."

"Ok, this may be Philip:
The son of Ruprecht, Bishop of Freising (1481-1504), Philip of Palatinate-Neuburg (1505-1548) ( Palatinate-Neuburg, A region for centuries closely associated with Barvaria, and would become Upper Barvaria in 1799)
Philip and his older brother Otto Henry would become Court Palatine (Dukes) after Landshut War of Succession. Philip is less known because he was younger and though regent with his brother Otto, was not granted as much power."

"I don't know about that one Brooke....he was married in 1526 already and then seems to have been trying to commit bigamy with another wife ...neither of whom were Mary."