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Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
May 1 2009, 11:15 PM EDT
Now that I think of it, the rhym: Peter Peter Pumkin eater, had a wife and couldn't keep her. He put her in a pumpkin shell, and there he kept her very well. Reminds me of Henry VIII and Anne of Cleves. But I think that is more of a coisidence.
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1. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
May 2 2009, 1:06 AM EDT
Interesting. How does the rhyme remind you of Henry and Anna of Cleves?
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2. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
May 2 2009, 2:38 PM EDT
Henry VIII didn't nessesary like Anne of Cleves, so he divorced her and set her up in many houses and some money. So....he put her in a pumpkin shell-meaning some english house. And there he kept her very well...she lived happliy away from court and died a wealthy woman much later then Wife 6.
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3. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
May 2 2009, 6:32 PM EDT
Sort of... but the "he couldn't keep her" doesn't really match. That suggests he wanted her but she didn't want to be with him. Actually, according to this, it suggests that poor Peter's wife was cheating on him, which sounds more like Catherine Howard: http://www.simpletoremember.com/articles/a/nurseryryhmeshistory/"Peter was a poor man who had an unfaithful wife. She kept cheating on him (couldn’t keep her), so he had to find a way to stop her running around. His solution, fairly common in the middle ages, was a chastity belt (pumpkin shell). For those who don’t know, a chastity belt is roughly a pair of metal underwear with lock and key, so that no one could enter the private region of the woman except whoever held the key, usually her husband. And as the rhyme goes, once he put her in that belt, he kept her very well." 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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4. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
May 3 2009, 10:09 AM EDT
"So Peter is a pumpkin eater, and a chastity belt is a pumpkin shell. I'm not the only one who thinks this is funny, right? I had no idea this nursery rhyme was so naughty! 5 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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5. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
May 12 2009, 5:44 AM EDT
" So Peter is a pumpkin eater, and a chastity belt is a pumpkin shell. I'm not the only one who thinks this is funny, right? I had no idea this nursery rhyme was so naughty!"LOL!! I didn't know that nursery rhyme could be so naughty, until I found out the meaning behind Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater. LOL! 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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6. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
Nov 11 2009, 9:24 AM EST
Peter Peter is actually an American verse, and was unknown in England til fairly recent times. They had no pumpkins, which are a native American plant. The verse was actually written for children, no hidden meanings or naughty bits.
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7. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
Nov 11 2009, 11:50 AM EST
"Peter Peter is actually an American verse, and was unknown in England til fairly recent times. They had no pumpkins, which are a native American plant. The verse was actually written for children, no hidden meanings or naughty bits."I have never heard of this one before. But it is very funny. Btw, many nursery rhymes are not originally written for children. They are jingles made up from certain occurrences and because their meaning is hidden, the origins sometimes are forgotten. That is not to say some are not written for kids. Anyway, I have no idea whether it is the case in this rhyme or not. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
Nov 11 2009, 3:25 PM EST
This thread has the best title, EVER!!!On the subject of nursery rhymes, wasn`t Mary, Mary Quite Contrary about Mary I? 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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9. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
Nov 11 2009, 6:42 PM EST
"This thread has the best title, EVER!!!OMG, i was just about to say that, i always thought that was what that nursery rhyme meant, then again i always thought to an extent that Henry VIII was Humpty Dumpty? Do you find this valuable? |
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10. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
Nov 11 2009, 10:46 PM EST
"OMG, i was just about to say that, i always thought that was what that nursery rhyme meant, then again i always thought to an extent that Henry VIII was Humpty Dumpty?"LOL Henry as Humpty Dumpty :D ... no wonder I have always liked that rhyme as a child. I have heard that Ring of roses is about the plague. Do you find this valuable? |
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Elliemental |
11. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
Nov 12 2009, 3:38 AM EST
"OMG, i was just about to say that, i always thought that was what that nursery rhyme meant, then again i always thought to an extent that Henry VIII was Humpty Dumpty?"There are undeniable similarities between Henry and Humpty, its worth considering. Do you find this valuable? |
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12. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
Oct 21 2010, 5:48 AM EDT
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Mistingualino was close. The Pumpkin as we know it in today in America was a Native American plant and therefore unknown until 15th century. The word pumpkin actually comes from the ancient Greek word “πέπων” which roughly translated means large melon and sounds like pepon. The word evolved over the centuries and became pumpkin during the colonial American times. However before then and until modern times the Europeans used the word to describe what we Americans would refer to as a butternut squash. Credit is given to the Chastity belt theory as this century (15th) is also during the time chastity belts were first written about during the crusades (Spanish-Eastern European). Although the Rhyme was not found in text until the 19th century (Mother Goose’s quarto or melodies complete by Munroe & Francis c1824) however, that the book was facsimile of the London book by John Newberry c1760 who in turn received much of the contents from the 1719 Robert Samber translations of the French rhymes dating back from1696. Likewise it can be theorized that the melody was older than the original printed text therefore lending credence to the Chastity belt connection. In contrast to the Sambers idea, in all likelihood “Peter, Peter, Pumpkin Eater” came from melodies used in the earlier European rhyme “Heeper Peeper” which is said to the same rhythm and centered around the case of a chimney sweep who attempted to hide the body of second wife up a chimney he was currently employed to clean. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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13. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
Oct 21 2010, 5:49 AM EDT
Humpty Dumpty is most commonly theorized as referring to King Richard the III as interpreted by Katherine Ewles Thomas. Other explanations suggest reference to the Brandy boiled ale and reduplicative slang used for a short and clumsy person. The egg in the rhyme possibly being a metaphor used to describe a drunk, short, clumsy person. More recently Humpty Dumpty is thought to be reference to a large cannon used during the English Civil War (1642 - 1649) particularly the Siege of Colchester 1648.There are a great many nursery rhymes almost unquestioningly referencing the Tudors such as Mary, Mary Quite Contrary , Rain, Rain Go Away, Little Boy Blue, Little Jack Horner, and Three Blind Mice just to name a few. 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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14. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
Oct 21 2010, 5:50 AM EDT
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LOL didn't see main thread till after post sorry
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trackfodder |
15. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
Aug 21 2011, 5:27 PM EDT
Someone else was eating her pumpkin. Poor guy. I don't think it would taste very good after staying in a chastity belt.
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16. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
Aug 21 2011, 6:17 PM EDT
I thought the chastity belt was one of those victorian flights of fancy rather than anything that was actually ever used.
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17. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
Aug 21 2011, 6:51 PM EDT
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"I thought the chastity belt was one of those victorian flights of fancy rather than anything that was actually ever used."Yes I believe it is a more of a modern myth. There is actually a book on the subject (which I haven't read) called "The medieval chastity belt. a myth-making process" by Albrecht Classen. The synopsis reads: "Conrad Kyeser was the first to present an image of a chastity belt in his illustrated book on war machinery, Bellifortis(1405), and some fifteenth- and sixteenth-century poets and artists referred to this object as well. Yet, there is no firm evidence that chastity belts were ever used in reality. By contrast, modern writers have often referred to the chastity belt as an object employed primarily in the Middle Ages in order to support a highly speculative perspective of past practices, maybe as a spurious legitimation for the use of chastity belts in the modern sex industry. Anthropologists, ethnologists, then also cultural historians, and feminist scholars have happily embraced the idea of the chastity belt because it provided them with an effective battle-cry to malign the medieval world and to project the benefits of the civilization process in the lives of modern women freed of being degrading by a chastity belt." 0 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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18. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
Aug 21 2011, 7:22 PM EDT
"Yes I believe it is a more of a modern myth. There is actually a book on the subject (which I haven't read) called "The medieval chastity belt. a myth-making process" by Albrecht Classen. The synopsis reads: "Conrad Kyeser was the first to present an image of a chastity belt in his illustrated book on war machinery, Bellifortis(1405), and some fifteenth- and sixteenth-century poets and artists referred to this object as well. Yet, there is no firm evidence that chastity belts were ever used in reality. By contrast, modern writers have often referred to the chastity belt as an object employed primarily in the Middle Ages in order to support a highly speculative perspective of past practices, maybe as a spurious legitimation for the use of chastity belts in the modern sex industry. Anthropologists, ethnologists, then also cultural historians, and feminist scholars have happily embraced the idea of the chastity belt because it provided them with an effective battle-cry to malign the medieval world and to project the benefits of the civilization process in the lives of modern women freed of being degrading by a chastity belt."A battle cry,like "Oh Crap- I lost my key ! Do you find this valuable? |
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19. RE: Peter Peter Pumpkin Eater
Aug 21 2011, 7:27 PM EDT
"A battle cry,like "Oh Crap- I lost my key !"LMAO!!! 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |