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MsSquirrly
MsSquirrly
40. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 7:19 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 7:19 AM EST
"I didn't get why the servant had to be there when Henry was doing his thing. I wonder if this is accurate historically. Maybe a King's secretions were considered sacred? "
well I don't know that they were considered "sacred" but medical theory being what it was in those days ( based on the fluids from the body), everything that came from the King would have been inspected by the doctors for any sign of illness etc.
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Reggie19
41. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 7:53 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 7:53 AM EST
"I didn't get why the servant had to be there when Henry was doing his thing. I wonder if this is accurate historically. Maybe a King's secretions were considered sacred? "
Perhaps that was the case? After all, the position Groom of the Stool required a man to do something similar, but in the case of the... well... other end, lol!
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MyLadyGreensleeves
MyLadyGreensleeves
42. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 7:58 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 7:58 AM EST
"I agree. Season one was downright pornographic in places, but that one final scene did make sense, to me."
Season One seems to have had at least one explicit - and often gratuitous - sex scene in every single episode. Subsequent series have had rather less sex. I ownder why the producers decided to cut down on the amount of sex? I doubt such scenes did ratings any harm.
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Kittywake09
Kittywake09
43. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 7:59 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 7:59 AM EST
"Yes, now that's a scene i can see purpose to, because at least they conceived a child through that. I also felt that woods scene could have been done in a different way, and seeing as how the beginning of that episode with the... ugh... masturbation scene, Henry's sexual frustration was already outlined."
I agree. The masturbation scene was a scene too far for me.

Quite telling was the scene when Buckingham caughtr his daughter and Brandon together, only the daughter got a thump. Friend of King or not I would have battered him within an inch of his life instead of going to King later. More so because they both smirked at him.
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MsSquirrly
MsSquirrly
44. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 8:00 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 8:00 AM EST
I dunno about that....I can see the king's "seed" being considered sacred but not the other end. LOL. Actually the more I think about this ...the more I think its totally inaccurate. After all, masturbation is a sin in the bible so I am sure there wouldn't have been a "witness" to it. What a subject! haha 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
royalfalcon
royalfalcon
45. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 8:17 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 8:17 AM EST
"I dunno about that....I can see the king's "seed" being considered sacred but not the other end. LOL. Actually the more I think about this ...the more I think its totally inaccurate. After all, masturbation is a sin in the bible so I am sure there wouldn't have been a "witness" to it. What a subject! haha"
Yes regarding the masturbation scene I really was not that comfortable with it. I have never heard that this actually happened in Tudor times - I mean the witness, not the masturbation lol!! You are right MsSquirly this is regarded as a sin in the bible - so it would seem to me to be very unlikely that it would have taken place in this way.

I had no problem at all with the scene in the woods. As I have stated earlier I felt it had a definite purpose in showing Henry's frustation that Anne would not give herself completely to him.
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Reggie19
46. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 9:13 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 9:13 AM EST
"I dunno about that....I can see the king's "seed" being considered sacred but not the other end. LOL. Actually the more I think about this ...the more I think its totally inaccurate. After all, masturbation is a sin in the bible so I am sure there wouldn't have been a "witness" to it. What a subject! haha"
Holy crap, ya, after all, the purpose of sex back then was for procreation, and only procreation! Of course, that hasn't really changed much, especially in such countries where contraceptives are still outlawed, which also used to be the case in Ireland for many years.
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Kittywake09
Kittywake09
47. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 9:15 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 9:15 AM EST
"well I don't know that they were considered "sacred" but medical theory being what it was in those days ( based on the fluids from the body), everything that came from the King would have been inspected by the doctors for any sign of illness etc."
In Elizabeth, William Cecil took away the Queen's sheets and in The Madness of King George his fluids were inspected (just as well realy). In those times a bit like Big Brother/CCTV - your every action/moment monitered. Gees
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tudorcrazy
tudorcrazy
48. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 10:27 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 10:27 AM EST
"In Elizabeth, William Cecil took away the Queen's sheets and in The Madness of King George his fluids were inspected (just as well realy). In those times a bit like Big Brother/CCTV - your every action/moment monitered. Gees"
What a horrible invasion of privacy. As usual, I feel so sorry for Royalty, especially then. Disgusting. I was interested to see, they showed a headline on the news the other night, that they have released some of Diana's diaries, and they reveal much. I immediately thought of Anne Boleyn, and the strange repetition of history, and the complex problems faced by royalty, that are never laid to rest.
Sorry, a bit off topic, but as you all know I am obsessed, and a great believer of history being circular, not linear.
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CarolineZ
CarolineZ
49. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 11:18 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 11:18 AM EST
""...Sorry, a bit off topic, but as you all know I am obsessed, and a great believer of history being circular, not linear.""
I am interested in your perspective. How do you mean, circular? Do you mean as someone (Malcolm Muggeridge?) said, "History is old news happening to new people."
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sirskydog
sirskydog
50. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 12:27 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 12:27 PM EST
"I agree. The masturbation scene was a scene too far for me.

Quite telling was the scene when Buckingham caughtr his daughter and Brandon together, only the daughter got a thump. Friend of King or not I would have battered him within an inch of his life instead of going to King later. More so because they both smirked at him."
i Believe, given Buckinghams circumstance, to provoke a fight at court, for any reason, would have been suicide. He was , what I saw, aking permission to wail on Sir Charles. I have wondered when Buckingham dropped the wash basin on Cardinal Woobie ( Wolsey), if that was historically accurate. It was a bold and risky move of him.
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NanBullen65
NanBullen65
51. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 12:45 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 12:45 PM EST
Yeah, Buckingham really did dump the water on Wolsey. Bet it felt awesome - at least for a brief second! Do you find this valuable?    
Kittywake09
Kittywake09
52. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 1:04 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 1:04 PM EST
"i Believe, given Buckinghams circumstance, to provoke a fight at court, for any reason, would have been suicide. He was , what I saw, aking permission to wail on Sir Charles. I have wondered when Buckingham dropped the wash basin on Cardinal Woobie ( Wolsey), if that was historically accurate. It was a bold and risky move of him."
I love Brandon but even though suicidal to find them so then being smirked at I am sorry but the red mist would have descended upon me. It was I agree a bold move on Wolsey but would have been funnier if it had been a chamberpot! lol
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Conyle
Conyle
53. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 1:16 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 1:16 PM EST
"Season One seems to have had at least one explicit - and often gratuitous - sex scene in every single episode. Subsequent series have had rather less sex. I ownder why the producers decided to cut down on the amount of sex? I doubt such scenes did ratings any harm."
I see that a lot. Same thing happened with Big Love.
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tudorcrazy
tudorcrazy
54. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 4:14 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 4:30 PM EST
Yes Caroline Z exactly. I just saw season 3 episode 3, where Henry promises a Parliment for the people of York and sends Suffolk to bring Robert Aske to London. He is no different than any of our modern day "leaders". They told the Jews in the Holocaust, they were letting them have showers. Then they paraded them into a big tiled room, and gassed them. 6 million. If Henry had had that technology, I have no doubt he would have done worse things than he did. A bit off topic, but my point being that I do believe that history is circular, and that sex will ALWAYS be of interest to audiences and participants.
I think the sex scenes in the Tudors are only bawdy and shocking because no one has had the opportunity to portray what really went on, because of censorship. Cable and the internet has been a vehicle to show real life without the trappings of leaving things to the imagination.
I have to think childbirth was as horrible, rape was a daily occurrence, and that hypocrisy was just as rampant as it is today. The only difference is we can actually see it raw.
I also want to belabor this point to say that Iran, and all the backward countries today, were just as backward as they always were. The only difference is cell phones, and bombs. I can't think being a woman in Iran is much different today than 200 years ago. My G-d they are wearing the same clothes, and they had makeup, and jewelry in those days. Sorry, I'm on a rant, but that's why the Tudors is very real to me. So what if it isn't exactly historical in every sequence, and character. The meaning, the lesson, and the beauty of the production, has brought so many people to a worldwide consciousness of history, it's significance, and to the importance of learning from past mistakes. Kudos to Michael Hirst and all his sexy scenes. Anything that causes people to question, probe and think about past events is an art, and a service to mankind.
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tudorcrazy
tudorcrazy
55. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 17 2010, 4:23 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 17 2010, 4:33 PM EST
This is in response to Coyle.
Once they captured the audience and got their attention, they could tell the historical and political parts. You have to seduce an audience, not lecture them. As Anne Boleyn said to Henry, "no seduce me, sing to me, write me poetry etc," I think audiences need to be seduced so they want to see the story.
Most shows I love do that. Certainly True Blood, Big Love, Twilight, although more romance than sex, as they draw a younger viewer. I used to watch the old time soap operas in college, and we would wait 20 mins, for the last scene to see a kiss !
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Verlah
Verlah
56. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 19 2010, 4:45 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 4:45 AM EST
"I actually think the sex scenes on this show are redundant and over the top. A few of them actually have no purpose such as the one between Henry and Ursula before she leaves court. And I admit I am getting tired of Jonathan's loud screaming. "
I got the impression that this special scene with Lady Ursula had the purpose to show Henry's hypocrisy. He had just made new rules for the clergy, especially not being allowed to get married and having to lead a chaste life, and he himself had done quite the opposite all his life.
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Verlah
Verlah
57. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 19 2010, 4:57 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 4:57 AM EST
"Without the "actual" product of their union resulting from it, i'm afraid i can't help but find them completely pointless, and i was certainly in no way grateful for them. They became so frequent, and annoyingly so, that i started using them to go to the loo, or make a cup of tea."
I think you have every right for criticizing that, and it's really a pity that they did not stick more to history but on the other hand I must say that I am glad I have not been deprived of these great scenes. I would not have discovered new sides of myself which had been completely concealed until watching "The Tudors".
Well, everyone is different but I do not know any other show or film with sex scenes I did not hate, to say nothing of enjoying them.
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Verlah
Verlah
58. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 19 2010, 5:13 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 5:13 AM EST
"I dunno about that....I can see the king's "seed" being considered sacred but not the other end. LOL. Actually the more I think about this ...the more I think its totally inaccurate. After all, masturbation is a sin in the bible so I am sure there wouldn't have been a "witness" to it. What a subject! haha"
I was surprised as well about the masturbation scene. Maybe they just wanted to show Henry's frustration because of not being allowed to sleep with Anne who he desired so much. Maybe they just wanted to show how he dealt with this situation because not having the opportunity to have sex was a completely new experience for him.
When watching the scene, I actually thought it was a doctor being there with Henry, not just a servant? Anyway, in those days they believed that masturbation was unhealthy, so maybe, apart from inspecting his semen afterwards, they wanted to supervise it to make sure nothing harmful was going to happen to the king?
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tudorcrazy
tudorcrazy
59. RE: sex scenes in the Tudors
Feb 19 2010, 5:21 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 19 2010, 5:24 AM EST
"I think you have every right for criticizing that, and it's really a pity that they did not stick more to history but on the other hand I must say that I am glad I have not been deprived of these great scenes. I would not have discovered new sides of myself which had been completely concealed until watching "The Tudors".
Well, everyone is different but I do not know any other show or film with sex scenes I did not hate, to say nothing of enjoying them."
yes, I agree they didn't need to stray from history so much, but to OUR credit, I don't think they ever realized such scrutiny would be attached by the fans. I have to think they really only thought David Sharkey types would criticize. We here at the wiki, have created a huge community of Tudor fans that are much more educated, well read, and sophisticated, in our obsession then could have be anticipated.
I hate the lady Misselton story line. Very unnecessary. But it has not damaged my enjoyment of the show. I think they used it as an introduction to Francis Bryan. It's a shame they couldn't bring him in any other way, but hey, I don't care. His Mother, Lady Bryan was a wonderful woman, I don't get how he became such a skank.
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