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LadyLizzy
LadyLizzy
20. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 25 2009, 5:23 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 25 2009, 5:23 AM EST
I watch the show because of the wonderful interaction of the actors. Just look at JRM and Natalie Dormer, they simply rock! And I love the "villains" of the play, the two evil Toms, Cromwell and Boleyn. And ... well, I'm a huge fan of Hans Matheson. :D 2  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
JaneSeymour
JaneSeymour
21. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 25 2009, 10:55 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 25 2009, 10:55 AM EST
For a second there LadyLizzy, I was confused when you said the two evil Toms, Cromwell and Boleyn, but I get it now.

As for everyone saying that they think Steven Waddington would be a better Henry VIII because he looks like him, I don't see it to be honest, I can only see how he would be better as Henry in terms of acting but that's basically it. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions of SW and the Duke of Buckingham, but for someone to say that they were happy the Duke got killed off on the show was uncalled for. I don't expect anyone to agree with me about thinking that comment was completely unnecessary though.
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Anne'sCurls
Anne'sCurls
22. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 25 2009, 7:03 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 25 2009, 7:06 PM EST
Yep Im the one who said I either wasn't sad to see him die or I wanted him to die on the show. That was me
Im also looking forward to Jane Rochford getting hers, used to be looking forward to Thomas Cromwell but noooooooooooo! These punks had to make him sympathetic.
Henry VIII did have the personality of a bratty 2yr old but he didnt come off as one imo. He struck fear and awe in the people around him and Im just not getting that from Johnny. As for his acting, I think in almost every scene he has to act with someone the other person outshines him...especially from James Frain and Natalie Dormer.
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scooter&buster
scooter&buster
23. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 25 2009, 11:12 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 25 2009, 11:12 PM EST
"Yep Im the one who said I either wasn't sad to see him die or I wanted him to die on the show. That was me
Im also looking forward to Jane Rochford getting hers, used to be looking forward to Thomas Cromwell but noooooooooooo! These punks had to make him sympathetic.
Henry VIII did have the personality of a bratty 2yr old but he didnt come off as one imo. He struck fear and awe in the people around him and Im just not getting that from Johnny. As for his acting, I think in almost every scene he has to act with someone the other person outshines him...especially from James Frain and Natalie Dormer. "
I think it's perfectly fine to want an assinine 'bad guy/gal" character to die or get killed. It's just a TV show...they're not really getting killed :)

Personally, I don't want to see any of the characters die...except for Henry. I want him to die a slow slow slow painful death. And, I guess in real life he did. I hope it's the same in the show.

As for Cromwell being sympathetic, I'm glad they made him that way, 'cause I think other productions always make him more evil than he really was in true life I just don't see him as the evil monster. I feel like Frain's portrayal is far more accurate (except that he looks nothing like the real man) than any other Cromwell I've seen on screen. He and the writers have given Cromwell humanity and a soul. He's more than Henry's henchman...and like any one else is capable of guilt, fear, regret, and even love. Who's to say the real man didn't have a few pangs of guilt himself..
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Anne'sCurls
Anne'sCurls
24. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 25 2009, 11:31 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 25 2009, 11:31 PM EST
I think the reason Frain's Cromwell is so memorable is that he plays him as a human as opposed to a characture(did I even spell that right)
Oh gosh do you guys think they are going to show Margaret Pole's horrible death?
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scooter&buster
scooter&buster
25. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 26 2009, 1:02 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 26 2009, 1:06 AM EST
"I think the reason Frain's Cromwell is so memorable is that he plays him as a human as opposed to a characture(did I even spell that right)
Oh gosh do you guys think they are going to show Margaret Pole's horrible death?"
When was Margaret Pole executed? You know, she was in s1 VERY briefly...in the ep where they sent little Mary off to her on household. She was Mary's governess. So, if they do show Margaret Pole's execution, will the same actress play her? That actress is Peter O'Toole's real life daughter. I think her name is Kate.
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TillyT2
TillyT2
26. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 26 2009, 6:42 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 26 2009, 6:42 AM EST
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As for Cromwell being sympathetic, I'm glad they made him that way, 'cause I think other productions always make him more evil than he really was in true life I just don't see him as the evil monster. I feel like Frain's portrayal is far more accurate (except that he looks nothing like the real man) than any other Cromwell I've seen on screen. He and the writers have given Cromwell humanity and a soul. He's more than Henry's henchman...and like any one else is capable of guilt, fear, regret, and even love. Who's to say the real man didn't have a few pangs of guilt himself.. "
I agree completely with your assessment, I think he was a clever man that did what he believed was necessary (and that doesn't make all his actions right) to get on and survive, when you think of the schemes and politics that go on in todays workplace with far less lethal outcomes - my Boss may have wanted to chop my head off on occasions when I messed up but he wasn't allowed to unlike the lovely King Henry - poor Crom should have sued him for workplace bullying!
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HeroineAddict
HeroineAddict
27. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 26 2009, 8:31 AM EST | Post edited: Feb 26 2009, 8:33 AM EST
I totally agree. I imagine very few people associated with the machinations of Henry's court were guiltless of scheming and back-stabbing, but Cromwell did what was asked of him (and certainly what served his own interests with regards to survival) simply more efficiently than most. I believe the little character biog for him on this Wiki says that he held no personal grudges and was not vindictive, and this is entirely true. Essentially, he was doing his master's bidding, and I love your modern workplace analogy, Tilly, as it seems particularly pertinent in this case. It's a sad fact that when there is a very specific pecking order, loyalties tend to get horribly sacrificed, and in an environment where it was literally your life on the line, I can easily imagine that every man and woman looked wholly after their own interests at the expense of whatever damage they caused to others. There are surely very few winners in a situation like that, just sad and mutilated lives.

As for Margaret Pole, she was executed in 1541 (after, I believe, around three years imprisonment), so maybe we'll see her in S4, if at all. Poor woman, she was elderly and innocent, and whether or not the specifics of her death are largely legendary, hers is one of the cruellest fates of Henry's reign.
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hrm_elizabeth
hrm_elizabeth
28. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 27 2009, 12:10 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2009, 12:10 PM EST
"I find both Henry and JRM attractive but that doesn't mean they are right for the show. Atleast JRM has talent, Henry Cavill has such little range. The best looking guys on the show for me have been the Mark Smeaton and Edward Seymour actors. "
I value and respect your opinion, but I disagree with your stance on JRM and Henry Cavill. JRM and Henry Cavill both have amazing talent and bring so many different elements to the screen. Both portray their characters amazingly, and I do see a great range with Henry Cavill's acting skills. Yes, they're both handsome, but there is great talent there with them, too, and I think they're both fantastic for the show.
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Anne'sCurls
Anne'sCurls
29. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 27 2009, 3:14 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2009, 3:14 PM EST
I've seen nothing of Cavill's range, imo he is one of the weakest actors on the show. I still like him because well because of the way he looks. I can point out a few scenes were I just didnt believe in him and a few, "that woman is a whore" where I totally believed in his performance. But this is subjective, he isn't doing it for me as an actor and he obviously does it for others. 2  out of 7 found this valuable. Do you?    
scooter&buster
scooter&buster
30. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 27 2009, 4:32 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2009, 4:32 PM EST
"I've seen nothing of Cavill's range, imo he is one of the weakest actors on the show. I still like him because well because of the way he looks. I can point out a few scenes were I just didnt believe in him and a few, "that woman is a whore" where I totally believed in his performance. But this is subjective, he isn't doing it for me as an actor and he obviously does it for others. "
I agree about Cavill's acting, but how one views acting skill is subjective indeed. I, personally, find him wooden. I can say with relative confidence that if he was not such a pretty face, he'd not have this part. The scene where he called Anne a whore was laughable imo. Not so much because of HCs acting, but because I thought it was a badly written exchange. He sure got awfully hot under the collar for such a trivial thing. Anne merely disagreed with sending him to France as opposed to sending her father, I can see Brandon feeling slighted, but why would he care what Anne Boleyn thought of him. She was queen, but obviously had little power over him. I just felt him being so pissed off about that little incident was way over the top. I'm sure he's suffered worst insults than that.

I apologize to his fans for not appreciating his acting skills. It's just my view. I'm sure he'll have ample opportunities to hone those skills.

BTW, we've gotten waaaay off topic, haven't we ;)
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Anne'sCurls
Anne'sCurls
31. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 27 2009, 6:18 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2009, 6:18 PM EST
What was the original topic? I totally forgot. I thought his reaction was understandable because by that time he really couldn't stand her and had been seething about her for a long long time. When you have a situation like that, the way a person breaths can set you off. 1  out of 2 found this valuable. Do you?    
scooter&buster
scooter&buster
32. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 27 2009, 7:46 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 27 2009, 7:46 PM EST
"What was the original topic? I totally forgot. I thought his reaction was understandable because by that time he really couldn't stand her and had been seething about her for a long long time. When you have a situation like that, the way a person breaths can set you off. "
Absolutely. You're right, of course. There's a lady at work that I can not stand (God forgive me). Just the sound of her pretentious chatter and cackling laugh makes me want to smack her upside the head :)

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hrm_elizabeth
hrm_elizabeth
33. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 28 2009, 4:57 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 28 2009, 4:57 PM EST
"What's your opinion of him from the show? Did anyone like him or not?"
I agree with you all in that Steven Waddington portrayed the Duke of Buckingham very well. In some scenes, you don't like him like when Buckingham hits his daughter, Anna. However, in some scenes, you want to cry, specifically during his execution scene. When Knivert pulled out the Duke's arms on the chopping block, it was really upsetting. As if Buckingham wasn't upset enough, he had to spend his last few moments with someone else tugging his arms while waiting to be executed. There were times on the show when I was upset with Buckingham, but there were also times where I had immense pity for his character. Overall, I think he was great, and I wished that we could have seen him a little longer in the show.
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LadyJane1961
34. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 28 2009, 4:59 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 28 2009, 4:59 PM EST
"I agree with you all in that Steven Waddington portrayed the Duke of Buckingham very well. In some scenes, you don't like him like when Buckingham hits his daughter, Anna. However, in some scenes, you want to cry, specifically during his execution scene. When Knivert pulled out the Duke's arms on the chopping block, it was really upsetting. As if Buckingham wasn't upset enough, he had to spend his last few moments with someone else tugging his arms while waiting to be executed. There were times on the show when I was upset with Buckingham, but there were also times where I had immense pity for his character. Overall, I think he was great, and I wished that we could have seen him a little longer in the show. "
I AGREE WITH YOU HRM
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Hever
Hever
35. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 28 2009, 6:25 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 28 2009, 6:25 PM EST
"I agree with you all in that Steven Waddington portrayed the Duke of Buckingham very well. In some scenes, you don't like him like when Buckingham hits his daughter, Anna. However, in some scenes, you want to cry, specifically during his execution scene. When Knivert pulled out the Duke's arms on the chopping block, it was really upsetting. As if Buckingham wasn't upset enough, he had to spend his last few moments with someone else tugging his arms while waiting to be executed. There were times on the show when I was upset with Buckingham, but there were also times where I had immense pity for his character. Overall, I think he was great, and I wished that we could have seen him a little longer in the show. "
All excellent posts HRM!
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Anne'sCurls
Anne'sCurls
36. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Feb 28 2009, 9:42 PM EST | Post edited: Feb 28 2009, 9:42 PM EST
That has been like every character on the show for me. Sometimes I hate them sometimes I feel pity for them; the only exception is Henry, I always hate him. I dont know how I feel about the arm grabbing thing, I'll have to watch it again. But mostly it had to get done and he wasn't really cooporating. 1  out of 4 found this valuable. Do you?    
Eza_444
Eza_444
37. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Aug 8 2009, 7:19 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 8 2009, 7:19 AM EDT
you are so right. i think it would have been more realistic with Steven Waddington as King Henry VIII. he has the right body build and hair colour. But Steven Waddington does have a strong Yorkshire accent that may have been one of the reasons why they didnt use him for the role. still he would have been a great Herny VIII.

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Eza_444
Eza_444
38. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Aug 9 2009, 5:11 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 9 2009, 5:11 AM EDT
"I hated the Duke on the show and I was happy he got killed off. The real Duke of Buckingham I feel more sorry for, from what I've read he didn't do anything to deserve to die except be born a rightful heir to the throne. Unlike on this show where he was shown trying to kill Henry. He definitely would have been a better Henry VIII than JRM. Not only does he look like Henry but he has the prescence of a king which is the one thing JRM is lacking. Everytime he throws a tantrum I just laugh and wish someone would sit him in the corner. "
WTF
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Eza_444
Eza_444
39. RE: Duke of Buckingham
Aug 9 2009, 5:14 AM EDT | Post edited: Aug 9 2009, 5:14 AM EDT
"I think JRM and HC are very attractive men. They just don't float my boat LOL. An actor has to really make me feel something. Looks are important, but if they don't grab my attention and really make me feel what their character is feeling, then they're just not gonna make my 'hot guy' list. To be on my "hot guy" list they have to touch me with their performance.

I agree that David Alpay is a total hottie. I love that curly hair. I also think the actor playing Edward Seymour is attractive, but it remains to be seen if he can really act.
We'll find out in s3, as he appaers to be quite prominent in it.

I just think it would have been braver of the produers or whom ever, if they'd cast an unknown actor like Waddingon as Henry. He doesn't just have the right look...he has the talent as well."
i agree. and casting as Henry VIII would have made Steven Waddington better known anyway.
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