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HistoricQueen3
HistoricQueen3
40. RE: The French Sword
Aug 26 2009, 2:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Aug 26 2009, 2:47 PM EDT
I suppose it was to do with the fact that KH was actually guilty and had hurt Henry, I also think that perhaps he loved his first three wives more than any that came after. Do you find this valuable?    

greensleevs
41. RE: The French Sword
Oct 21 2009, 8:16 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2009, 8:16 AM EDT
"welcome to the wiki greensleevs, do you have the book? Do you know what primary sources Geoffrey Abbot uses to back up what he says?"
Away a bit doing some reserch and i mut stand corrected the executioner that carried out the exection was indeed rombaud i was however correct about the sword used it is the older of the two in the royal amories i have in font of me a tower of london accountof the execution so i will quote from this ON THE SCAFFOLD A MAN SELECTEDNAED REPORTEDLY NAMED ROMBAUD PERSENTED A FEARSOME FIGURE, FOR HE WORE A TIGHT-FITTING BLACK SUIT AND HORN SHAPED HAT, WITH HALF MASK COVERING HIS UPPER FACE. THE OUTFIT HAD BEEN BOUGHT B UY THE CONSTABLE OF THE TOWER FOR THE OCCASION. THE DOMMED QUEEN ESCORTED BUY 200 YOMAN GOALERS NUMEROUS OFFICIALS AND COUNCILLORS OF STATE. OVER HER RED UNDERSKIRT SHE WOR A LOOSE RODE OF REY DAMASK EHANCED BY A HHITE ERMINE COLLAR. HE HAIR BENEATH A WHITE COIF AND CARRIED A LITTLE PRAYER BOOK BUND IN GOLD. ON THE SCAFOLD SHE MADE LIGHT HEART AT ALL SHE COULD SEE she then made the famous spech which is quite word pefect as showen on the tudors and knelt i quote once more HER LADY-IN-WATING MISTRESS LEE HELPT REMOVE HER CAPE AND BLINDFOLDED HER. AS HE DID THIS THE EXECUTIONER EXTRACTED THE SWORD WHICH WAS CONCELED BENEATH TH STRAW AND SIGNALLED HIS ASSISTANT TO APPROCH THE QUEEN. ON HEARING HIS THE QUEE TURNED HER HEAD THE SWORD SWPT DOWN TAKEING OFF THE HEAD THE BOBY FALLING BACK AND TO THE RIGHT THE HEAD LANDING THREE FEET IN FRONT AND TO THE LEFT, INSTANTLY BLOOD GUSHED FORTH IN SPRAYING THE LADY LEE, SPECTATORS GASPED IN HORROR AS THE EXECUTIONER HOLDING THE HEAD HIGH, SAW THAT THE EYES AND LIPS WERE MOVEING CONVULSIVELY. Hope you find this interesting it is from a tower of london account of the execution. 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    

greensleevs
42. RE: The French Sword
Oct 21 2009, 8:27 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2009, 8:27 AM EDT
sorry about the spelling useing a new laptop and you have to realy hamer on the keys and i am not used to it yet so execuse me and my typing errors. Do you find this valuable?    
CarolineZ
CarolineZ
43. RE: The French Sword
Oct 21 2009, 11:17 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2009, 11:17 AM EDT
"".... THE SWORD SWPT DOWN TAKEING OFF THE HEAD THE BOBY FALLING BACK AND TO THE RIGHT THE HEAD LANDING THREE FEET IN FRONT AND TO THE LEFT, INSTANTLY BLOOD GUSHED FORTH IN SPRAYING THE LADY LEE, SPECTATORS GASPED IN HORROR AS THE EXECUTIONER HOLDING THE HEAD HIGH, SAW THAT THE EYES AND LIPS WERE MOVEING CONVULSIVELY....""
Horrible! I wonder if she had any consciousness after her head was cut off?! Do you find this valuable?    
Elliemental
Elliemental
44. RE: The French Sword
Oct 21 2009, 11:56 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2009, 11:56 AM EDT
It was just the nerve endings dying, like when a headless chicken runs around for a few seconds after its` head is severed. No consciousness, just dying nerves. Do you find this valuable?    
Nofretete
Nofretete
45. RE: The French Sword
Oct 21 2009, 12:21 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2009, 12:21 PM EDT
"It was just the nerve endings dying, like when a headless chicken runs around for a few seconds after its` head is severed. No consciousness, just dying nerves."
I have heard speculation that a person might still be conscious for up to minutes after having their head cut off... But I think the movements would have been only the nerve endings dying as you said. Do you find this valuable?    
Elliemental
Elliemental
46. RE: The French Sword
Oct 21 2009, 4:49 PM EDT | Post edited: Oct 21 2009, 4:49 PM EDT
"I have heard speculation that a person might still be conscious for up to minutes after having their head cut off... But I think the movements would have been only the nerve endings dying as you said."
I`ve heard that there was some research done during the French revolution, on guillotine victims. They shouted into the ears of the severed heads immediately after the guillotining had happened, and the eyes moved, seeming in response to the stimulus, but it`s likely again that is was the nerves dying. For any real consciousness, all synapses need to be in tact, and as they rely on the neck/spinal column to travel, as soon as the head is severed, they`d have be cut off immediately. Do you find this valuable?    
g8rbucsgirl
g8rbucsgirl
47. RE: The French Sword
Jan 29 2011, 6:11 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 29 2011, 6:11 PM EST
Does anyone know when the executioner was hired and where exactly he came from? If he was hired after Boleyn's trial and if he came directly from France, wouldn't it take more than a couple of days to get there? Do you find this valuable?    
MsSquirrly
MsSquirrly
48. RE: The French Sword
Jan 29 2011, 6:34 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 29 2011, 6:41 PM EST
"Does anyone know when the executioner was hired and where exactly he came from? If he was hired after Boleyn's trial and if he came directly from France, wouldn't it take more than a couple of days to get there? "
I don't think they know exactly where in France he was called from but it would have taken at least 5 or more days to make it in time for the execution May 19. The trial was May 15 so he would have had to have been called before the trial...maybe as early as the 9th. Her death was a forgone conclusion.

Check out Anne Boleyn's time line here : http://tudorswiki.sho.com/page/Historical+Timeline+of+Anne+Boleyn Do you find this valuable?    
g8rbucsgirl
g8rbucsgirl
49. RE: The French Sword
Jan 29 2011, 10:26 PM EST | Post edited: Jan 29 2011, 10:26 PM EST
Thanks! I had an image in my head of some random French executioner on vacation in England and he just stumbles into this job. Do you find this valuable?    
MsSquirrly
MsSquirrly
50. RE: The French Sword
Jan 30 2011, 7:54 AM EST | Post edited: Jan 30 2011, 7:54 AM EST
"Thanks! I had an image in my head of some random French executioner on vacation in England and he just stumbles into this job. "
hahaha! Funny image!

If you read back on this thread, there is some great info on the executioner, especially by historian VerelaiR (who has sadly passed away since posting on the wiki). 0  out of 1 found this valuable. Do you?    
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