"hey!!! Im really glad that we can have this conversation about this, i do understand that we have diferent opinions about it, and we are going to have only good opinions for our wifes....lol, but is so good that we can share all this and try to see the other person point of view, because believe it or not im trying to see all the good things you told me about Jane, (but i have to say is not that easy....lol) and i hope that you can do the same for Anne.

Any way, love to talk to you and hope we can keep doing it, also im glad that you like queen Elizabeth, she was awesome, but well of course, like her mom...lol

hope to read more opinions for you!!!!"

"Good Morning Elizabeth

The one reason I love this wiki is the passion we all feel so strongly for. It's very interesting because I believe if I was in that time, I most likely be more like Anne B. Im not saying that as a ego thing. But Im fiesty, I believe that women are equal to men. And should have the same rights. Im strong headed. However I love COA. Her life, her strength and what she endured not only at Henry's hands but his father. Some people will say well at least she wasnt executed. Well what would you rather have a slow death, in pain and misery and a broken heart or just 1 good chop ? I dont believe any of these wives deserved how they were treated. And it is because of the wiki that makes me want to know your passion for AnneB. Or the other wives.

One beautiful thing though is that out of the adversities in Elizabeths life. People who influenced her she became a great ruler.
And yes she was the daughter of Queen Anne B! She loved her mother and I think it so odd that she died within 2 weeks after her ring was cut off. Coincedence ? Things that make ya go hummmmmm.

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"Ahhh this has been debated many a time. Anne may have had "one good chop", but she didn't have a choice in the matter. Catherine didn't have to die in isolation and misery if she yielded to Henry's will. Of course, this doesn't mean that she SHOULD have yielded - certainly not! But it does put things into perspective a little bit.
Catherine did die slowly and in pain, but at least she had her good friend Maria de Salinas with her at the end, and the love of the people, whereas Anne had no one. But both wives died in fear for their daughters.
I guess neither end is more favourable than the other. It's like the quote in the Six Wives miniseries, when Catherine says of Anne, "Poor creature - she is little to be envied as I am"."

"Ahhh this has been debated many a time. Anne may have had "one good chop", but she didn't have a choice in the matter. Catherine didn't have to die in isolation and misery if she yielded to Henry's will. Of course, this doesn't mean that she SHOULD have yielded - certainly not! But it does put things into perspective a little bit.
Catherine did die slowly and in pain, but at least she had her good friend Maria de Salinas with her at the end, and the love of the people, whereas Anne had no one. But both wives died in fear for their daughters.
I guess neither end is more favourable than the other. It's like the quote in the Six Wives miniseries, when Catherine says of Anne, "Poor creature - she is little to be envied as I am"."

"yes, i know!! for me this place is awesome in i really enjoy been around and specially for people like you that makes it so much fun, even if we agree on disagree...lol, i also like to say that i do love COA, she was and incredible person and i really believ that was a great woman, i know that i say like a million times how much I love Anne B, and i do, but i never say that the what Anne did to her was fine, even that she and Henry where done when Anne came in to the scene, but well that is another story, what i was trying to say is that i really have a passion for Anne´s life and i do she thnk she was incredible, but also KOA, so as you can see we have something to share after all..lol"

"While your take on Anne's position is true, I feel you sugarcoated Katherine's a bit.
Henry was basically asking Katherine to say she had been his concubine and though I'll admit our daughter in good faith...she's still a bastard when it comes to the throne. Henry was asking Katherine to go against everything, EVERYTHING, that she believed and stood for. He wanted Katherine to betray herself and in her eyes betray God, something we know Katherine would NEVER do, as would most people in that time would not betray the believes to God.
Yes, Katherine had a "choice" but it was something that Katherine would NEVER do and Henry most likely knew Katherine would not either. Katherine most likely would've died for her faith if it had come to it.
So, Katherine, who did not see it as a "choice" (and myself do not see it as a choice either) because it was going against her FAITH and her very being, died abandoned and in misery.
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"...and, I think that like Thomas More and John Fisher, K of A would have been willing to be martyred rather than say she had been Henry's concubine and that their daughter was illegitimate if Henry had dared to put her to death, but of course, that was never an option for him. His fear of Katharine's nephew Charles V restrained him in that regard.
Nevetheless Katharine lived daily in expectation of being poisoned. She was not only exiled but imprisoned in effect. There was nothing luxurious about her accomodations especially at the end. Sometimes her servants almost had to beg for her necessities. She suffered for years in these conditions. Horrific as Anne's end was, it was over quickly. "