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LNor19	20. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Aug 24 2008, 6:59 PM EDT "Good Question! If the series gets that far, they'll find a way! LOL" Holly2 and I actually talked about this. We brought up how the mother of Charles's son has not been determinded, so if Edward (Charles's son) had a daughter named Jane and she married a man with the last name Grey, there making Lady Jane Grey. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
FMFJRMGRL	21. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Aug 26 2008, 10:44 AM EDT LOL! I bet thats what they will do! Post reply Do you find this valuable?
funrod6	22. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Sep 18 2008, 5:00 PM EDT I wanted to add something here. I think the WORST acting job was in the scene with Anne catching Jane and Henry kissing. I think JRM and ND did a grand acting scene but when Jane stood up and stood behind his chair, for some reason AB did not do it for me. It seemed like she was acting. Versus when Henry and Anne were so skilled at their performance, it made her look not so well in the acting department. Did anyone else notice that ? Post reply 2 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
frogy23	23. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Sep 18 2008, 8:03 PM EDT If you are saying that ND as Anne Boleyn was way overacting when she found Henry and Jane kissing then yes, I completely agree. It was a very poor moment in terms of acting. But she had a lot of great moments, too. Post reply 2 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
howardfan	24. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Sep 19 2008, 4:50 AM EDT "If you are saying that ND as Anne Boleyn was way overacting when she found Henry and Jane kissing then yes, I completely agree. It was a very poor moment in terms of acting. But she had a lot of great moments, too." hmm yeah maybe I agree with the earlier posts, i was so pissed off when they had "Margaret" take on the part of mary rose, and mary the wrong king, lol mary rose married king louis of france and when he died married brandon who later married his ward Katherine who was best friend of Kate Parr and daughter of Maria (mary) salts, KOA's loyal subject and friend from spain. Margaret tudor paved the way for Mary queen of scots and James stewart but alas she was not mentioned. I hated the george boleyn scene aswell, making him out to be some soddomizing nutter who basically raped jane parker.... Then offcourse there was the assassination attempt on anne. Had chapyus really known and spoken to the assassin, this would have come to light and the ambassador would have been executed. Then there was the posioning of the catholic papists, the show made it appear as though George and Thomas Boleyn bribed the poor cook to poison the meal, which i know really did happen and i am well aware that thomas more and bishop fisher were spared, but i am not aware of any proof that it were the boleyns who instigated this poisoning. Cromwell displayed a nasty side though when he interrogated the cook and later sent him to boil in a pot, which was rather disturbing to me then there is the way charles brandon i sportayed with his new wife , he did not have all those sexual affairs and his wife was beleived to be a headstrong rather prude woman of like mind with Kathereine parr, not this doe eyed maiden who was portrayed like mary boleyn almost but i still watch it and pick it to peices Post reply Do you find this valuable?
funrod6	25. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most? Sep 19 2008, 5:42 AM EDT "If you are saying that ND as Anne Boleyn was way overacting when she found Henry and Jane kissing then yes, I completely agree. It was a very poor moment in terms of acting. But she had a lot of great moments, too." oh no I realized after I posted I meant Anita Briem Sorry I thought the whole scene was fantastically played with exception to that one part where Anne catches them and Jane hides behind the chair. It seemed like she was trying to hard. And the rest of the scene leading up to and after where done very well. Sorry I should have said their character names. Post reply 5 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
howardfan	26. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Sep 19 2008, 5:57 AM EDT "oh no I realized after I posted I meant Anita Briem Sorry I thought the whole scene was fantastically played with exception to that one part where Anne catches them and Jane hides behind the chair. It seemed like she was trying to hard. And the rest of the scene leading up to and after where done very well. Sorry I should have said their character names." lolz ^_^ oh and another annoying scene, at the end of episode 1 in season two, well near the end, henry lashes out at a messgenger who calmly tells him that catherine asked after his health and was saddened that she did not say goodbye. Henry was mad and ruthless yes, but i felt that in this instance the abrupt outburst infront of his new bride to be was rather over the top! I dont beleive it happened lolz I also dont beleive greensleeves was written for a prosititute because why would a common wench pass someone off discourtiously? or however the word is spelt? the style of music was reportedly not in vogue until around 1579/80 but some have come to regard the song as being written in elizabeths court regarding her mother and fathers ill fated love/desire Post reply 2 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Holly2	27. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Sep 19 2008, 7:15 AM EDT "oh and another annoying scene, at the end of episode 1 in season two, well near the end, henry lashes out at a messgenger who calmly tells him that catherine asked after his health and was saddened that she did not say goodbye. Henry was mad and ruthless yes, but i felt that in this instance the abrupt outburst infront of his new bride to be was rather over the top!" I think that Natalie Dormer did really well with that scene; panic, but not over the top, and a definite touch of "what have I gotten myself into?"/"This is who I'm marrying?!", followed by an attempt to reassure herself that everything was alright, and "beautiful". Post reply 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Boudica	28. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Sep 19 2008, 9:32 AM EDT "I think that Natalie Dormer did really well with that scene; panic, but not over the top, and a definite touch of "what have I gotten myself into?"/"This is who I'm marrying?!", followed by an attempt to reassure herself that everything was alright, and "beautiful"." Yes I think she particularly delivered her lines very well, "While my belly is busy doing its buisness I find you wenching with Mistress Seymour!" It was a very stomach churning scene for me! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLZ7l4ALs9g&feature=related The only thing I thought was wierd about that scene is that Henry asks Jane to come closer because he has a bad leg, but then he asks her to sit on his knee? Ummm...won't that not be a good idea in his condition? Oh well, it made a very hot moment before Anne came in and I lost my lunch. (kidding!) Post reply Do you find this valuable?
frogy23	29. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Sep 19 2008, 10:01 AM EDT "I think that Natalie Dormer did really well with that scene; panic, but not over the top, and a definite touch of "what have I gotten myself into?"/"This is who I'm marrying?!", followed by an attempt to reassure herself that everything was alright, and "beautiful"." Boudica, I think Holly2 was talking about the scene at the end of the first episode of season 2 when the messanger brings news from Catherine. I agree that ND played that scene very well. I also thought it was a stellar moment for JRM. Losing his temper as a foreshadowing of the tyrant he becomes as well as the look and demeanor showing how conflicted he was -- sending off Katherine, whom he admired, because he had charted this course with Anne. I think his face said an awful, awful lot there. I really loved that scene. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
Boudica	30. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Sep 19 2008, 10:11 AM EDT "Boudica, I think Holly2 was talking about the scene at the end of the first episode of season 2 when the messanger brings news from Catherine. I agree that ND played that scene very well. I also thought it was a stellar moment for JRM. Losing his temper as a foreshadowing of the tyrant he becomes as well as the look and demeanor showing how conflicted he was -- sending off Katherine, whom he admired, because he had charted this course with Anne. I think his face said an awful, awful lot there. I really loved that scene." Sorry not enough coffee this morning, thought we were still talking about the scene in episode 2.8 funrod brought up and quoted Holly when I should have quoted the earlier. My mistake. I agree he looked like a freaking psychopath in that scene. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
MadameDeMerteuil	31. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Sep 19 2008, 10:31 AM EDT All dramatic licence bothers me....;) I'm extremely attached to being true to historical facts, especialy when the facts are more fascinating than the results of any dramatic licence. As someone said in this thread, Margaret Tudor's life was much more interesting in reality than in the series, where "Margaret" is 1 - not true to reality, 2 - not that interesting given the fact that she's one of the less complex characters. Like many here, I also don't like the charactrisation of George Boleyn - he's shown as ...a gay rapist. I've been on the gay scene for more than 10 years and seing stuff like that on television angers me...is that how script writers see gay people? Sad for a series where human complexity is very well represented by other accounts. Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Boudica	32. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Sep 19 2008, 11:26 AM EDT "Like many here, I also don't like the charactrisation of George Boleyn - he's shown as ...a gay rapist. I've been on the gay scene for more than 10 years and seing stuff like that on television angers me...is that how script writers see gay people? Sad for a series where human complexity is very well represented by other accounts." Yeah I hear yeah. I've been openly bi for ten years now and when I see characterization like George Boleyn. It makes me think the creators tried to take one step foward but then took two steps back and shot themselves in the foot in the process. I mean, cool, it's great to have gay characters represented in tv, but representations like THAT are certainly unwelcome. Post reply 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
Holly2	33. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Sep 19 2008, 11:32 AM EDT "Yes I think she particularly delivered her lines very well, "While my belly is busy doing its buisness I find you wenching with Mistress Seymour!" It was a very stomach churning scene for me! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLZ7l4ALs9g&feature=related The only thing I thought was wierd about that scene is that Henry asks Jane to come closer because he has a bad leg, but then he asks her to sit on his knee? Ummm...won't that not be a good idea in his condition? Oh well, it made a very hot moment before Anne came in and I lost my lunch. (kidding!) " That scene was another fabulous performance by Natalie Dormer - I'm really going to miss her next season. I remember thinking when I watched Henry sitting with Jane "It serves you right that your festering leg is never going to heal properly and that you're going to spend the rest of your life in pain, you <expletive>!" Post reply 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
funrod6	34. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Sep 19 2008, 12:50 PM EDT "I think that Natalie Dormer did really well with that scene; panic, but not over the top, and a definite touch of "what have I gotten myself into?"/"This is who I'm marrying?!", followed by an attempt to reassure herself that everything was alright, and "beautiful"." I agree....I shouldnt have used initials because I said ND dn JRM did well in the scene then I said AB when she hid behind the chair was not great acting. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
frogy23	35. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Sep 19 2008, 12:56 PM EDT To Boudica's point, I guess I thought from reading here and there that George was gay. If he was, it certainly seemed believable to me that he would #1 feel the need to hide the fact in those days and #2 resent his wife because of his situation and respond in that way. In other words I found the scene realistic and reasonable for George -- who was an ass, after all. Wasn't rape more common at that time when women were seen as merely property? On the other hand I can appreciate gay or bi individuals who don't see enough gay characters in TV as it is, getting frustrated when there is something so negative. Look at it this way, there aren't a lot of nice characters in the show, straight or gay. Post reply 0 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
howardfan	36. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Sep 19 2008, 8:01 PM EDT "Sorry not enough coffee this morning, thought we were still talking about the scene in episode 2.8 funrod brought up and quoted Holly when I should have quoted the earlier. My mistake. I agree he looked like a freaking psychopath in that scene." yus it was rather OTT but natalie did the part well, extremely well Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
howardfan	37. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Sep 19 2008, 8:06 PM EDT "To Boudica's point, I guess I thought from reading here and there that George was gay. If he was, it certainly seemed believable to me that he would #1 feel the need to hide the fact in those days and #2 resent his wife because of his situation and respond in that way. In other words I found the scene realistic and reasonable for George -- who was an ass, after all. Wasn't rape more common at that time when women were seen as merely property? On the other hand I can appreciate gay or bi individuals who don't see enough gay characters in TV as it is, getting frustrated when there is something so negative. Look at it this way, there aren't a lot of nice characters in the show, straight or gay." pardon me frogy23 but what books have thee read? im not being rude or sarcastic so please do not take offence, but if you are reffering to the widely known Retha M warnicke book, the rise and fall of anne boleyn, where she states that she "percieves george to be possibly bi sexual" Then i am going to debate it lol Ives and Starkey both say there is no proof to support this, and no george was not an ass, like the show or a P greggory novel would like to make out i did not find the scene realistic atall, as George was not gay IMO, think of it, had he been, there would have been no need to accuse him or the supposed "Gay" courtiers, Francis weston and mark smeaton of being involved in anything else as being gay back then would have automatically send them to their deaths by the most cruel and punishable means (usuallly by being hung, disemboweled and burnt) Post reply 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you find this valuable? Do you?
MsSquirrly	38. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Sep 19 2008, 8:21 PM EDT absolutely howarfan, and since the Buggery Act (outlawing sodomy) had been enacted in 1533, it is unlikely that Cromwell would not have used this as a cause for his arrest as he didn't stop at the incest charge. It was well known that george and his wife were unhappy but that could have been due to the fact that she was a catholic from a strong catholic family & upbringing and george was strongly interested in reform and they would have disagreed on many basic principles because of it. Post reply Do you find this valuable?
howardfan	39. RE: What scene of dramatic license on the series bothered you the most Sep 19 2008, 8:51 PM EDT "absolutely howarfan, and since the Buggery Act (outlawing sodomy) had been enacted in 1533, it is unlikely that Cromwell would not have used this as a cause for his arrest as he didn't stop at the incest charge. It was well known that george and his wife were unhappy but that could have been due to the fact that she was a catholic from a strong catholic family & upbringing and george was strongly interested in reform and they would have disagreed on many basic principles because of it. " yup one of the many reasons that jane was bitter toward her husband Post reply Do you find this valuable?

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