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In honor of her Majesty Queen Elizabeth I on...
To: Queen Elizabeth I, Remembering you my fellow virgonian, on your birthday, Sept. 7., R. I. P. your Majesty. by FMFJRMGRL
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Elizabeth Blount
: One of only two acknowledged mistresses of King Henry VIII , Elizabeth Blount possibly began her affair with the king some time c. 1514, as a very
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Elizabeth views of KOA.
"I asked this because maybe, she could have some curiosity, since she was the only Henry's wife Elizabeth never met, and the most beloved of all Henry's queens, that was a doubt i had." It's interesting to speculate.
I think we can be fairly sure how K Of A would have felt about Elizabeth, whom she probably would have seen as being on a par with Henry Fitzroy, Henry's illegitimate son with Bessie Blount. She would have seen Elizabeth as illegitimate, as she never left off in her own mind (and in many other peoples') being the true Queen and Henry's lawful wife. Katharine is not recorded as ever being unkind to Fitzroy, but she did resent the honors showered on him as signs that Henry was considering legitimizing the boy and naming him the heir to the throne instead of his legitimate daughter, Mary. She would have seen Elizabeth as the same kind of threat to her daughter.
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BoleynGirl13's Scripts
the head and Elizabeth cries out, grabs her belly and faints. Executioner: Feast your eyes on the severed head of the final traitor to his Majesty
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Letters from the Queens
for personally appointing her a maid of honor to his queen, Katharine of Aragon, but also - and more importantly - she acknowledges the king's serious
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Episode 2.10
by the king, Anne's sister Mary. This means that Elizabeth is to be declared a bastard. She asks the constable to stay as she makes her confession
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Anne Boleyn
Queen Anne Coronation Anne with Baby Elizabeth Natalie Dormer speaks about her
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Court TITLES & Offices
- 1603 Lady Jane Grey Mary I Elizabeth I Queen Consort 1486 - 1503 1509 - 1533 1533 - 1536 1536 - 1537 1540 1540 - 1542 1543
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QUOTES from the Tudors
her aside._hohumpigsbum Catherine of Aragon, a true queen in every way! - Chocobasse10 Katharine was brave to say that. I'mTheCheesecakeHere I
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Anne of Cleves and Romance
"As Anne of Cleves was free to re-marry, is there ever any record of her being interested in any man after Henry? Were any men of the court interested in her? She had as much or more property than a lot of other ladies. But was were her properties and possessions really hers, or contingent somehow on Henry? From what I read, she was regarded as kind, of regal bearing, and fun-loving, having assimilated herself into the English culture and fallen in love with the country. After Henry died, she was no longer taken care of, as I understand it, and considered returning to Germany. Does anyone have any information on this?" Apparently Anne was perfectly happy with her independence. Many women back then must have envied her. She lived the life of a rich gentlewoman, enjoyed spending money on rich clothing and one source says she loved her drink. There is no record of any romances.
The Duke of Cleves did make peition to the Council to reinstate the marriage after the execution of Catherine Howard, but the Council and Henry gently but firmly rebuffed the idea.There was once talk of Anne returning to her mother, but her mother's death put an end to that. She would not have been able to keep the manors and incomes that Henry has settled on her if she left England in any case. She did at one time have hopes herself that Henry would reinstate her, because they had become firends and she did feel that her honor had been affronted by the divorce and saw reinstatement as a redemption of it. But that is according to Chapuys, who would have been glad to see a rupture between England and Cleves. One of Anne's last appearances was at Mary's coronation. She did have to remind the Council of payments due her from time to time after henry's death.
Anne was fairly young (42) when she died, of what is unknown. Mary gave her the funeral of a Queen and had her interred in Westminster Abbey.
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unknown or little known facts
Fashion facts: (Next to Jane Seymour, my other passion is the history of fashion, lol)
-Black was traditionally a reserved color, Anne Boleyn made it a fashionable color.
-Katharine of Aragon is claimed to be responsible for the Spanish Fartingale apperance in England.
-Of the fews records that exist when Jane Seymour was Queen, most involve fabrics, furs, and jewels. In her two years she had over 24 monogram rings made (How many 'J' or loveknot rings can you have?)
-Mary I was a tiny woman, when she became Queen she began to wear the early version of 'high heels', they would become popular in England from there on out.
-Elizabeth I loved unique jewels, she had a spider brooch that looked so much like a real spider that her courtiers would try to bat it off her.
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And You Thought Being Married To Henry Was Bad....
This little fact should interest you, then: Ivan might have been interested in marrying Elizabeth I. Dodged a bullet there, not that I think she ever really considered it, lol, and he may have only wanted to insult her after she wrote to him in a rather condescending manner. Here is a portion of his letter insulting her (which some historians have commented might have been the rudest she ever received, note him insulting her "maydenlie estate"):
"wee had thought that you had beene ruler over your lande, and had sought honor to your self and proffitt to your Countrie, and therefore wee did pretend those w[e]ightie affaires between you and us. But now wee perceive that there be other men that doe rule, and not men, but bower and marchaunts, the wich seeke not the wealth and honnor of our majesties, but they seke there owne proffitt of marchandize. And you flowe in your maydenlie estate like a maide; and whosoever was trusted in our affaires adn did deceave us, it were not meete that you should creditt them. And now seeinge it is so, wee doe sett aside those affaires; and those bowrish Marchaunts that have beene the occasion that the pretended welthes and honors of our Majesties hath not come to passe, but doe seeke their owne wealthes, they shall see what traffique they shall have here; for our cittie of Musko, before their traffique to it, hath not greatly wanted Englyshe commoditites. And the priviledge that wee gave to your Marchaunts, and sent to you, that you would send it us againe, and whither it be sent or no, wee will give commaundement that nothing shalbe donne by it. And all those priviledges wih wee have given aforetime be from this daie of none effect...
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Anne of Cleves: Strong-willed or Submissive?
"I think she will mostly be submissive, but I think she's be a little spunky too at times." Sometimes submissive is the way to go, and Anne of Cleves submitted to the KIng's will, allowed herself to be divorced and rewarded with castles and incomes as well as the company of the little Elizabeth whom she had learned to love. She was also rewarded with being next in order of prececence only to the Henry's Queen and his daughters over all other women of the court and lived loved and respected into the reign of Mary I. The queen ordered for her a royal burial in Westminster Abbey. Being strong-willed with Henry would have gained Anne nothing. We all know what method Henry chose of being rid of an inconvenient wife. She was a foreign princess with no recourse from the King's will. I think 'shrewd' and 'wise' would be better words to describe Anne of Cleves, as well as 'decent', 'honorable', and 'noble'. I hope she is portrayed with these qualities.
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Jul 5 2008, 7:02 PM EDT by
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Anne Boleyn's body..
"Well, that really wouldn't work because:
1) there would be very,very few genetic copies present in the mDNA of the 2 Princes(William and Harry)to prove anything but a very distant possibility.** Almost 5 centuries is an insurmountable amount of time for present day mDNA /other technology.
2)the tested bone would be destroyed/consumed in the testing process.
It is my fervent hope and belief that more sensitive genetic testing will be/is being developed that would preserve the integrity of the remains and answer our questions and curiosity.
**In nDNA(nuclear DNA from blood, body fluids, eye fluids), there are 2 copies -1 from your mom and 1 from your Dad. This is exact DNA which pinpoints a specific person.
In mDNA (mitochondrial DNA from hair, teeth and bone), there are 100's to 1000's of copies...every female descendent in your ancestry-from your mom and from your dad. It is not at all exact, but lists probable/possible associations. If mDNA were picked up at a crime scene (say, a hair at a break-in)and the perpetrator had 10 brothers and sisters, all of them would be suspect. " I've said this before, but I'll be happy to repeat myself on this thread. Why not take MDNA from Elizabeth and find Anne through that sample? To me, that would be the best way to identify Anne, tho I realize that much of her bones may have disintegrated and only teeth would be the best way to ID Anne. I would LOVE to see Anne buried w/Elizabeth, with all honor as a Queen, but I realize too that Her Majesty may not want to disturb the tombs. P's Will and Harry may want DNA extractions and we could be seeing something happening in the near future. But Elizabeth would be my focal point to finding Anne and KH, if anything remains of KH. I've read quicklime destroyed her bones. Not only that but MDNA could be extracted from MQOS as well. What do you think, Siobahn?
Peace,
ETR
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favorite Tudor quotes
*Grumble all you like, this is how it's going to be-Anne Boleyn
*i'm may not be a lion, but i'm a lin's cub and i have a lion's heart.-Elizabeth Tudor
*This is the Lord's doing and it is marvellous in our eyes.
*While my father lives I shall be only the Lady Mary, the most unhappy lady in Christendom.-Mary Tudor
*I'm Henry the VIII's daughter, she is not! I have his blood, she has not!-Mary Tudor
in the series:
I am afraid I was not born for happiness-Mary Tudor(her best quote to me)
This is the king, this is the queen ... and this is me, with my head cut off-AnneBoleyn
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Anne Boleyn - do you think she now sympathised with Katherine?
"I don't think Anne had much sympathy for anyone: she was, I think, the kind of woman who believed that that she was unique (she certainly was unusual), that she deserved her high position and that she won and KoA lost. Same with Mary (at least till the very end). I agree that she Never thought she would be executed; no one did. That was the flip side of her unparalleled change in status. Anne told Henry he could do anything and he ran with that. " The only thing I've ever read as to Anne's thoughts on K of A was that when he fled to her seeking comfort after an argument with Katharine, Anne told him testily that she had told him not to argue with the Queen, she always won got the upper hand. Fraser pg 169 I think One writer says that her apology to Mary before her death was made in the hope that Mary would have some sympathy for and watch over the little Ellizabeth when she no longer had a mother. Anne apparently did not have any close female friends that she could appeal to or trust; so she appealed to the tie of blood that she hoped Mary would have for Elizabeth. It was all she could do in the hope of protecting her child. And, maybe by then, knowing for a fact what she had put Mary's mother through because she had now endured the same unfaithfulness in Henry, she made on the edge of the grave, a sincere apology.
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May 19 2008, 5:01 PM EDT by
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Historical anachronisms in the script that annoy me.
Is anybody else annoyed by the fact that Katherine Howard is shouting "F**k me! Just f**k me, Henry!" in the script when Princess Elizabeth, the historic patroness of such blue language, (AKA Elizabethan English), is still an adolescent working on mastering penmanship and translating Latin and Greek? I personally am very protective of my beloved Elizabethan English. In fact, all my children have received "Daddy's Inroduction to Profanity-101" in order that they may properly employ these priceless accessories to our language with grace. Included in these lessons are the proper context for using the variations of the word "sh*t", including when to use bullsh*t, chickensh*t, horsesh*t and apesh*t and how these nuanced variants actually differ semantically. I kknow Elizabeth would have approved.
PS: I can't believe it. This site actually blocked out all my unmoderated uses of the word 'sh*t. I had to go back and 'asterisk' them. We Americans are so puritanical...such hypocrisy is afoot!
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May 4 2010, 12:14 PM EDT by
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First Episode of Season 2
"Anne of Cleves was in love with her husband she was very upset when he wanted a annulment she was a virgin and did not know the ways of the world ,just really beleieved that you could have children by just kissing. The sad part of anne's story is that she was a stranger in a strange land , no friends , and at the end she had to be called Henery sister not wife, yes she did get money and it was at a price all her letters home where looked at to make sure that she did not tell her Brother what had happen to her in England. So she was cut off from her family in Germany. Also if Henery would have just gave her a chance to please him and show her what he wanted in bed. I did know she got Hever castle? " Actually, the real Anne of Cleves was no more in love with Henry VIII than he was with her. She was happy to escape with her head and wisely and diplomatically accepted the annulment and all of the honors and properties Henry showered on her for agreeing to become his 'dear sister'. 4,000 pounds per year, the manors of Bletchingly and Richmond, as well as Hever Castle, which had formerly been the property of the Boleyn family but reverted to the Crown upon the death of Thomas Boleyn, Anne's father. She was also granted precedence in the court after the new Queen and the King's daughters. Weir pp 222-23.
Anne of Cleves had no wish to return to the court of her brother, Duke William. For one thing, all of the favors Henry granted to her were only hers while she lived in England. Secondly, her status back in Cleves would have been that of a liability: dependent female relative to be supported, with not much chance of an advantageous marriage. Erickson, "Great Harry", pg 312.
Of all Henry's wives, Anne of Cleves had the best fate. She enjoyed friendships with all of Henry's children and was something of a mother to the little Elizabeth. She also had the King's friendship and dined with him and her successor, Katharine Howard. She outlived Henry and all of his wives. Honored and loved at her death she was granted (by queen Mary I ) a solemn ceremonial funeral and burial in Westminster Abbey where she still lies.
Given the choice between life with the mercurial Henry and the life her compliance with the annulment won for her was a no-brainer. She definitely got the best of the deal..
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Apr 3 2008, 3:19 AM EDT by
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The Irony of Henry's Love Life
in the dead of winter? Arthur's health was bad and sending him to Ludlow in the rain, cold and snow was definitely a bad decision. What was Henry VII thinking of when he did that?! Surely Margaret Beaufort knew that was a bad idea as well as Elizabeth and Henry himself, so I wonder why she didn't speak up and say sending Arthur to Ludlow Castle would probably kill him and wait until the summer? Mama B's word was law w/Henry, so if she'd said that it was too cold to send Arthur, he'd have listened. Sorry to digress, this thread is about Mary Boleyn Carey and I'd like to stick w/the subject, I just needed to blow off some steam about Henry VII's decisions. But a lot of great points have been made about Mary and her children, and the fact that Henry did provide for her after Anne was executed and her parents deaths shows that he did have some genuine feeling for Mary. I wonder if some dna could be extracted and find out for sure if either of the Carey children were in fact Henry's. I know at this point the maternal dna may be the only way to find out, but if Henry's bones still have something left and Catherine and Henry Carey's bones do, couldn't a paternal match be made? But I don't think Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II would consent to the disturbing of the royal tombs, even for scientific purposes. Even Elizabeth I could have some dna left to use, but at this point in time, I guess it doesn't really matter. The madrocondial(SP?)dna is the only thing left, and that would show the maternal line, not the paternal.
Peace,
ETR
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Aug 18 2009, 9:26 AM EDT by
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Enter the "Dear Henry" Sweeps here!
"Think KH8 could dole out some serious relationship advice to the lovelorn? Choose from three fictional dating scenarios below, then channel the spirit of King Henry VIII for the advice you think he'd give.
Choose one question below to answer:
1. Dear Henry, I think my wife/husband is cheating on me. How can I get back at her/him?
2. Dear Henry, I've been sneaking around for months and I don't want my boyfriend/girlfriend to find out. How do I juggle two lovers?
3. Dear Henry, how can I make myself more attractive to the opposite sex?
This sweepstakes opens Monday, June 8 at 9:00:01 AM PDT and ends Friday, June 19 at 11:59:59 PM PDT. Winners will be randomly chosen and notified the week of June 22, 2009. Remember, every sweepstakes entry is a chance to take home one of two royally awesome grand prizes: The Tudors replica items!" Dear King Henry VIII, your majesty, how do I get a young lass for a wife?
My advice to you is to be clean and romantic, if all else fails take her for your own claim. I am the King of England, women come to me.
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