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Meriale46 RE:KOA Martyr or Stobborn. 11 Jan 17 2011, 4:19 PM EST by leahmcc311
Thread started: Apr 12 2009, 2:11 PM EDT  Watch
I have to agree with you on 1 point.If I were in Katherine's situation I would have taken my child and left as well.Like Anne she also didn't want her child to carry the name of Bastard.Afterall,Katherine had to much pride for that,nevermind she came from a Royal background and a devoted Cathalic she would have never agreed to a divorce .Wanting Mary to remain in England to inheret the thrown was her 1 true wish.Some may think she was poisoned by Anne Boleyn but that was not the case at all.Katherine was already ill lwhen she left Hampton Court with Uterine Cancer and was dying.People give Anne Boleyn a bad rap for all that happened to Katherine but the reality was Henry and Katherine were already on the out's long before Anne arrived at court.Henry's obsession with Anne was well known,being she was quite beautiful and intellegent.Henry viewed her as the perfect woman and longed for her for many years before winning her heart.Like all men of that time and some of in our own,women were blamed primarily for a man's lust for her reguardless of what her involvement was. Anne rejected Henry not because she longed for the thrown of England and to be Queen,but not loving Henry she had hoped he would eventually lose interest in her and move on.But that was not to be.It took Henry a total of 5 years to win her affection and like many men promised her the moon and stars.Wrote peoms and love letter' .I would submize to say any woman then or now would have been seduced by such a cunning King.We all know that Henry was a lustful King wanting his own way and when Anne refused him it made him want her all the more.Anne's love and devotion for the King before and after their marriage has all but been proved.God makes plan's of his own and sacrifices sometime's must be made for the greater good of mankind.Afterall, Anne's prophecy that her daughter would seceed to the Thrown came to pass."ELIZABETH"
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tudorcrazy KOA MARTYR OR STUBBORN? (page: 1 2) 24 Apr 7 2009, 11:18 AM EDT by tudorcrazy
Thread started: Apr 6 2009, 10:44 AM EDT  Watch
Sorry, I started this thread last night and had typos. I am redoing it . Maybe Ms. Squirrly will edit the mistaken one out for me.
I have watched every episode of the series, every day from the beginning. Also, have read all the standard books on KOA, and I can't make up my mind about her. She really was fierce, kind, gentle, and loved by the people. She also loved her daughter with all her heart. I can't help but think, if she would have divorced Henry. everyone would have been happy. Particularly Mary, who was the object of her love. Mary was emptionally and pychologially damaged by her Mother. If She said the dispensation wasn't enough, she could have saved face over the religious part, retired to a beautiful castle and been with Mary. Mary would never have been so heartbroken and abused, nor forced to wait on Elizabeth. By her withdrawal, I'm quite sure that Henry's marrige to Anne may never even taken place, as he was cooling toward her as soon as they were married. Anne's pregnancy is what made him finally run to alter.
Back to KOA, I really think her pioty, and pride killed her and Mary. Mary's reign was a sad bloody time for England, that only ended in tadgedy. I think Katherine should have taken Mary back to Spain, to have a more normal life. I realize I am viewing this through 20th C eyes, and also a mother with 3 daughters, but as much as KOA was indeed strong, I don't see the point. She could have had a life of love, her daughter, and lived in her native country.Henry loved and respected her, and I think they would have had an amiable seperation. Sorry, she was a stubborn woman. She might have even lived to see Anne beheaded. That would have been poetic justice. She threw away happiness away with both hands. I still adore her, but the Katherine I love is MDK's portrayal. The real Katherine must of been a much less romantic figure, as she was set aside from the very beginning of her marriage.
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Maggie-AnneB. I Have Just Read This (page: 1 2) 26 Apr 6 2009, 4:14 PM EDT by hohumpigsbum
Thread started: Apr 4 2009, 4:57 PM EDT  Watch
And it's making me question Pope Clement's mind.

Excerpt from Alison Weir's- Henry VIII:
"Campeggio soon made it clear that Clement was prepared to offer Henry anything except the annulment he so desired, even a dispensation for a marriage between the Princess Mary and her half-brother Henry Fitzroy."

Now to me that is beyond creepy. The Pope was prepared to legalise a marriage between a brother and sister, but he was so against a man wanting to have his marriage annulled. It makes no sense. Now if a marriage between said brother and sister, even if they are "half" is not considered a sin in God's eyes, then I don't see how the Pope could not grant an annulment, the pope thinking that that annulment is a sin in God's eyes.

So what do you think about this? Wrong that the pope would want to legalise a incestuous marriage, and still deny a annulment?
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