I think Henry V111 must have been a one-off other than his six wives as Henry V11, was nothing like henry who seemed a very forgiving man, sent hardly anyone to the block even his pretenders eg simnel and warbeck, but his mother Elizabeth tudor who I think was a more forceful and short tempered person may not have been so lenient, if not kept in line by her husband , so perhaps henry took after her?

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Catherine Parr had one child, a daughter named Anne with Thomas Seymour. However Cate had been married three times before, we know why she and Henry didn't produce any children, but is there any explanation why she didn't have any children during her first two marriages? I've always found that odd.

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I'm specifically direct descended from Edward IV and his wife Elizabeth Woodville through their daighter Catherine and from most of the Yorkist Nobility.

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Catherine gave birth to her only child — a daughter, Mary Seymour, named after Catherine's stepdaughter Mary on 30 August 1548, and died only six days later, on 5 September 1548, at Sudeley Castle in Gloucestershire, from what is thought to be puerperal fever or puerperal sepsis, also called childbed fever. Coincidentally, this was also the illness that killed Henry's third wife, Jane Seymour. It was not uncommon, due to the lack of hygiene around childbirth. Nevertheless, a theory exists that Catherine's husband, Sir Thomas Seymour, may have poisoned her in order to carry out his plan to marry Lady Elizabeth Tudor.
Mary was left a destitute orphan in the care of Katherine Willoughby Duchess of Suffolk, who appears to have resented this imposition[1]. After 1550 Mary disappears from historical record completely, leading to the conclusion that she did not live past the age of two however some historian believe she did live into adulthood :-)

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Elizabeth and her sister, Lady Elizabeth Carew, wife of Nicholas Carew, were both ladies in waiting to Catherine of Aragon and both may have caught both the eye of King Henry and of Charles Brandon, who was a friend of both ladies as early as 1512. In a letter to King Henry, Brandon commends his affection to the two ladies. There is some suggestion that Brandon introduced Bessie to Henry and that in fact he had tried her out first and commended her skills to the king. Whether or not this is true, Henry had certainly begun a relationship with Bessie by 1514. It is not known how long it lasted but eight years seems too long, given that her son, Henry Fitzroy was born in 1519, but six years or even seven is possible as Henry does not seem to have cut off his relationship after the birth of his son.

Henry visited Bessie and his son often and the relationship does not officially end until 1522 when Bessie got married. Henry was keen to ensure that she had a good husband and she was well provided for by all three husbands.

Bessie was also well connected in other ways, being a neighbour of Charles Brandon, Duke of Suffolk through his Lincolnshire estates and a close association with his fourth wife was formed, both through marriage and through friendship and her place at court. He also maintained a friendship with Bessie most of his life.

Bessie may have been a lady in waiting to Anne of Cleves, but it could only have been for a very short time as she died some time in 1540. Her son by Henry died of consumption in 1536 and was buried with the Howard family as he had married the daughter of the Duke of Norfolk, Mary. He was buried at the abbey in Telford but he was moved to the Framlington later on. The marriage was childless.

Unlikely that she was replaced by Mary Boleyn: the relationship had long ended by 1522 as it just faded out.

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I must admit I had forgotten it was the anniversary of Henry's death until something on facebook jogged my memory. On this day in 1547 King Henry departed this life. He was at Whitehall Palace.having sent his family away. He requested that Thomas Cranmer be with him when he died. When Cranmer arrived he found that the King had lost the power of speech. Cranmer asked Henry to press his hand if he died in the faith of Christ which the King did.

On this day in history a true colossus departed from this earth
Henry was larger than life in every way not just his mighty girth!!

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I have recently purchased a DVD set of a BBC mini series from the 70's called "The Shadow of the Tower". It was mentioned in an older thread by Juliana-Angela, so I went looking for it. As it would happen, it was just released in Canada in January this year.

It is about the life of Henry VII from the time of his taking the English throne. I am only on the first disc, but I must say that I am quite impressed. It is good to see something on film about Henry VIII's father. The actor that plays Henry VII really resembles the portrait of Henry VII that we all know here. I think the story of the "first" Tudor monarch is well portrayed in this series. Hope some of you get an opportunity to check it out.

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what was christmas and new year like on tudors time .?

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Recently the Anne Boleyn Files asked this question with the following multiple choice answer and I thought it was a pretty good question, what do you think?

Do you think the fall of Anne Boleyn was the idea of:-
a) Henry VIII who then ordered Cromwell to get rid of Anne
b) Thomas Cromwell who convinced Henry that Anne was guilty
c) Thomas Cromwell and Henry together
d) Other

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some say jane , others Anne ...

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