Sign in or 
The Tudors Wiki Discussion Forum
Categories : General Discussion
General discussion around all things related to this wiki.
General Discussion
General discussion around all things related to this wiki.
Share this| Started By | Thread Subject | Replies | Last Post | ||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| LadyTudorsFan | One Line Poem (page: 1 2 3 4 5 ... last page) | 328 | Today, 5:21 PM EST by LadyTudorsFan | ||||
|
Thread started: Jan 19 2012, 5:16 PM EST
Watch
'Tis yet another Tudor Game,
For creativity, imagination, fun or shame, Thou must remember the name of the game this tyme, One must maketh the next line rhyme! (Translation: Make the next line rhyme with the previous. Olde English language optional!) Once upon a time in 1527.....
Show Last Reply
|
||||||
| QueenofTudor | Prince Arthur: | 1 | Today, 4:29 PM EST by princess212 | ||||
|
Thread started: Today, 4:09 PM EST
Watch
what if Prince Arthur had lived would Henry gone in to the church or would he have been a playboy Prince. And what would have become of Anne Boleyn
Show Last Reply
|
||||||
| littleone15 | Duke of Buckingham's Accusations | 0 | Today, 1:54 AM EST by littleone15 | ||||
|
Thread started: Today, 1:54 AM EST
Watch
I am trying to remember which episode it is where Buckingham says that it's his crown as a "direct descendant of Edward II" and that Henry has only a "bastard's claim on his mother's side" (I think I am quoting correctly).
My argument is with the idea that Henry's only claim came from his mother, while in fact he had three technical claims (maybe stated for drama, or anger in the heat of the moment that he would focus on the weakest link?). He was descended from the Beauforts through his grandmother, which while bastards at birth were legitimated, and the claim was from the oldest surviving son of Edward III, John of Gaunt, who was the father of Henry IV and so on. His grandmother, Margaret Beaufort was the remaining Beaufort claimant. As well, his Tudor grandfather was the son of the Dowager Queen Catherine of Valois, wither married or not, they were recognized as half-siblings by the court of King Henry VI. The statement on Elizabeth of York's declared bastardy is not inaccurate, but of a poor logic. In order to disinherit the "Boys in the Tower" and make himself the legitimate heir to his older brother Edward IV, Richard III declared his brother's marriage to Elizabeth Woodville void and all of their children bastards. However, it does not seem that the court took this decision seriously, even in Richards lifetime. Despite Stafford having a claim to the throne, I find fault that he says that Henry's only claim was through Elizabeth of York.
out of
found this valuable.
Do you find this valuable?
Keyword tags:
historical inaccuracies
season 1
|
||||||
| littleone15 | Descendant of Henry VII | 0 | Yesterday, 8:06 PM EST by littleone15 | ||||
|
|
Thread started: Yesterday, 8:06 PM EST
Watch
I am descended from King Henry VII through his illegitimate son, Roland de Velville (see my other posts on the question of if he is a true son or not). It is on my father's mother's side of the family. The Sisson family of Rhode Island were one of the founding families of Portsmouth, and so the family tree has been extremely well kept, as well as DNA research has been done to see who is blood and who is not (our branch of the tree tested positive). Richard and Mary Sisson married their children to the Lawton family, most likely because they themselves had wealth and power in Rhode Island, but the Lawton's had a connection to the Royal family. They actually married three of their children to Lawtons, but only my great-great-etc-grandfather George had children with his wife, Sarah Lawton-Sisson. Her mother, Elizabeth Salisbury, was descended from Katherine Tudor of Berain, through her second son from her first husband, John Salisbury, who was the heir after her eldest son was executed. Katherine Tudor was the granddaughter of Roland de Veleville through his daughter Jane. Roland was considered Henry VIII's half-brother by Henry VIII and other contemporaries, and was given favors by Henry. Katherine was a ward and considered royal cousin to Elizabeth when she was queen (Katherine was about 3 or 4 years old when Elizabeth took the throne, as Roland was about 17 when Henry was born). I have the full tree if anyone wants to see it. As I am descended by both grandmothers and grandfathers, depending on the generation, as well as the family coming to America, I can understand why it would be lost. In fact, it was only through my historical research on the family that I discovered this- I can trace my specific Sisson grandfathers back two generations in England, up to the time of the Reformation, but can't get farther then that. We don't have the family bibles, but like I said, I do have the big list-style tree/
0
out of
1 found this valuable.
Do you find this valuable?
Do you?
Keyword tags:
Tudor descendants
|
||||||
| Jes89 | Anne Boleyn's sign (page: 1 2) | 25 | Friday, 11:48 AM EST by pokisweet | ||||
|
Thread started: Jan 17 2010, 8:06 PM EST
Watch
It is not known when she was born, i always felt she was leo, looks so much with her.
1
out of
4 found this valuable.
Do you find this valuable?
Do you?
Keyword tags:
gemini
Show Last Reply
|
||||||
| Elliemental | All These People "Related" to Henry VIII (page: 1 2 3 4 5 ... last page) | 112 | Thursday, 9:17 PM EST by KatherynHoward | ||||
|
Thread started: Jun 14 2011, 8:46 AM EDT
Watch
Where is this information coming from? I would be rather sceptical about claims to be a "direct descendant" of Henry VIII at all times. But especially when its' supposedly from obscure illegitimate child who just happens to have escaped the attention of every historian, chronicler and courtier of the time.
8
out of
8 found this valuable.
Do you find this valuable?
Do you?
Keyword tags:
Tudor descendants
Show Last Reply
|
||||||
| Goddessruling | New Alternate History Novella | 0 | Feb 15 2012, 6:24 PM EST by Goddessruling | ||||
|
Thread started: Feb 15 2012, 6:24 PM EST
Watch
Check out this new alternative history novella about Catherine of Aragon and Henry the VIII and how history could have been different had their first son lived. Being offered for free on Kindle 2/15 & 2/16!
http://www.amazon.com/Catherine-Inquisitor-Lives-Henry-ebook/dp/B006FQDOYC/ref=pd_sim_kstore_1?ie=UTF8&m=AG56TWVU5XWC2
out of
found this valuable.
Do you find this valuable?
Keyword tags:
Catherine of Aragon
Henry the VIII
|
|||||||
| periwimkle | favorite Tudor quotes (page: 1 2 3 4 5 ... last page) | 141 | Feb 14 2012, 2:56 PM EST by QueenAnnaBoleyn | ||||
|
Thread started: Feb 19 2010, 9:20 PM EST
Watch
does anyone have a Tudor quote to share:;
I`ll start: "here is no jewel be it of never so rich a price which I set before this jewel.....I mean love." Elizabeth I
0
out of
1 found this valuable.
Do you find this valuable?
Do you?
Keyword tags:
favorite tudor quotes
favourite quotes
memorable quotes
quotes
tudor quotes
Show Last Reply
|
|||||||
| Anne'sCurls | Favorite Jane Seymour Scene | 9 | Feb 13 2012, 2:56 PM EST by freya9 | ||||
|
Thread started: Dec 31 2011, 12:18 AM EST
Watch
Anyone have any memorable Jane Seymour scenes from The Tudors?
Show Last Reply
|
||||||
| Imponthenet | Jane Grey and Catherine Howard | 3 | Feb 13 2012, 2:53 PM EST by freya9 | ||||
|
Thread started: Feb 12 2012, 2:08 PM EST
Watch
February has been an interesting month for the executions of British Queens. The 425th anniversary of Mary Stuart's execution was this past Wednesday(February 8), today marks the 458th anniversary of the execution of Lady Jane Grey and her husband, Guildford Dudley, and tomorrow is the 470th anniversary of the death of Catherine Howard.Any thoughts on this?
Show Last Reply
|
|||||||
| littleone15 | Post on Katherine of Aragon's haircolor a bit confusing because.... | 2 | Feb 11 2012, 2:33 PM EST by littleone15 | ||||
|
|
Thread started: Feb 10 2012, 11:59 PM EST
Watch
I think there is no dispute as to the color of Katherine of Aragon's actual hair color (though in some paintings when she was older, it does look darker, as do many royal paintings made later in their years, perhaps to cover the actual age and grays? Not an art historian, so just a guess). However, that post is slightly confusing. By calling her great-grandmother "Katherine of Lancaster" instead of "Catalina of Lancaster" and focusing on her blonde-red hair makes it easy to think that it is a reference to Dutchess Katherine Swynford, John of Guant's third wife and mother of the Beauforts. She was well-known as his mistress while he was married to Costanza of Castile, which was when the Beauforts were born, and is well remembered for her red hair. John of Guant was a blonde (again, late in life painted with dark hair), but Costanza was known for her very dark hair. Catalina was their only surviving child, and when Costanza died he married Katherine, and the pope and King Richard II ligitimated their children. When Henry IV became King, he ammended it to state that while they were legitimate now and noble, they could not rule. Side note, in Season 4 when Surrey is talking to Suffolk about how Richard II was starved to death in Pontefract while they were visiting that castle, his actual cause of death is still questioned, but what is an interesting is that the constable of Pontefract was none other then Thomas Swynford, Katherine Swnford's eldest son, who was the step-brother to the now King Henry IV. Coincidence?
out of
found this valuable.
Do you find this valuable?
Keyword tags:
castile
historical inaccuracies
katherine of aragon
season 1
Show Last Reply
|
||||||
| BanditQueen1 | Was the Duke Innocent of Treason? | 1 | Feb 8 2012, 12:16 AM EST by MsSquirrly | ||||
|
Thread started: Feb 7 2012, 10:51 PM EST
Watch
Edward Stafford, 3rd Duke of Buckingham was raised by the father of Henry VIII, and practically adopted as a member of the family from the age of 5. Henry as a Prince and a young King knew him well and in the early years of his reign it is clear that he was in favour.
He was knighted, a Privy Councillor, Lord High Constable, an army captain and close to the king. He had a strong personality and he was very guarded of his pride and his family. He was also very popular, generous and rich. He was powerful and came from powerful and old noble and royal stock. His sister may have had an affair with Henry VIII in 1510, his daughter had an affair with William Compton, not Charles Brandon, and his eldest daughter was married to the Duke of Norfolk (2nd Duke, that is) He was the first person to welcome Catherine of Aragon to England and Catherine regarded him as a friend, pleading for him when he was accused of treason. But was he guilty? Buckingham was ambitious and let his ambitions known, but he was accused by servants that were bribed by Cardinal Wolsey, who hated him. He made an enemy of Wolsey and he disliked 'new' men taking power from nobles. He talked about his fathers wish to do away with Richard III, but he was a child at the time and that was a good thing surely in Tudor eyes. He carried and bore royal coat of arms; he had some entitlement to do so. He was convicted on rumour and speculation and claims of listening to prophecy and acting on it. He may have had ambitions, should the Tudor line fail, but there was hardly any evidence against him, and he most probably had no ambitions beyond dreams. He was doing well under Henry; why would he in all honesty want to kill him? Henry was childless, save Mary, so he may have feared for his throne and wanted to make a strong example that would bring the other nobles to heal. Fear, doubt, suspicion are all reasons to accuse an innocent man of treason.
Show Last Reply
|
|||||||
| BanditQueen1 | Season 5? | 0 | Feb 7 2012, 10:12 PM EST by BanditQueen1 | ||||
|
Thread started: Feb 7 2012, 10:12 PM EST
Watch
How could it be season five of anything? It would have to be season one of a new series surely!
You cannot mix a prequel with a sequel! I assume that you are talking about two series; one for the start of the dynasty and two or three for the rest of the dynasty. However, I need to point out that Lady Jane Grey has been written out of history by the Tudors and another oner of their historical mess ups. In the Tudors, not only did Charles Brandon marry the wrong sister; that is Margaret instead of Mary; he only had one child in the Tudors, although he did refer to his last wife Catherine having one or two pregnancies, but they would not be heirs to the throne. In the Tudors he only appears to have a son, with changing names, Henry, Arthur, Edward and back to Henry again. In real life he had three children by Princess Mary who were heirs to the throne: Henry who died in 1534, Lady Frances Grey, mother of Lady Jane Grey, the one who stole Mary's throne for 9 days, and Lady Eleanor Clifford, Countess of Cumberland. In the Tudors; the girls are not even mentioned, so were is Lady Jane Grey going to come from? Or is Lord Henry Brandon from the Tudors going to have a daughter called Jane Grey and hey presto history is some how restored! The Tudors finished were it was because it had made enough errors with history. It was a great series and it would be good to see more, but how; history has been changed!
0
out of
1 found this valuable.
Do you find this valuable?
Do you?
Keyword tags:
cast
future cast
The Tudors
|
|||||||
| LadyTudorsFan | Catherine of Aragon's tomb | 13 | Feb 4 2012, 2:59 PM EST by freya9 | ||||
|
|
Thread started: Jan 24 2012, 5:51 PM EST
Watch
I visited Peterborough Cathedral at the weekend, which is the final resting place of Catherine of Aragon. Her tomb was quite hidden away in between a British and Spanish flag and it had the title "Queen Katherine" above it (I think this indicates a modern addition because she was definitely not called the Queen at the time of her death).
It is still a place of pilgrimage - people had left pomegranates on it and rosaries. Every year, they have an annual remembrance service for her where the Spanish Ambassador visits too - their next service is next weekend where they have a Catherine of Aragon festival. It's almost unusual I think for them to do this for someone that died five centuries ago because it's not a common occurence - well, with the exception of Shakespeare and the mystery person that leaves a bouquet of flowers at the Tower of London for Anne Boleyn every May 19th! Maybe it's a sign of guilt - she was treated so badly and this is a sign of respecting her memory from both England and Spain? The following link has more details about Peterborough Cathedral: http://www.peterborough-cathedral.org.uk/
1
out of
1 found this valuable.
Do you find this valuable?
Do you?
Keyword tags:
Catherine of Aragon
Tudor History
Show Last Reply
|
||||||
| Hisame | Secrets and Lies: Another Boleyn Girl (page: 1 2) | 33 | Feb 4 2012, 6:12 AM EST by freya9 | ||||
|
Thread started: Jan 20 2012, 2:08 AM EST
Watch
I love how history changes, our perception changes and what we think we knew is challenged.
I recently read "The Lady in Tower: The Fall of Anne Boleyn" - and I was stunned by what Alison Wier wrote, especially about Anne being a Catholic when we have it hammered into us that she was a crusading protestant.
1
out of
1 found this valuable.
Do you find this valuable?
Do you?
Keyword tags:
Blog
debate
Tudor history
Show Last Reply
|
||||||
| QueenAmber | Anne Boleyn Tattoo | 1 | Jan 30 2012, 10:33 PM EST by MsSquirrly | ||||
|
Thread started: Jan 30 2012, 8:40 PM EST
Watch
I'm very determined to get an Anne Boleyn tattoo. I either want "And thus I take my leave of this world" or "And thus I take my leave of this world and of you" or the famous "B" pearl drop necklace. Usually I'd discuss this with my friends but they aren't aware or obsessed enough with Anne Boleyn to realllly give me a good opinion of it. If I told them the quote they wouldn't really understand but people, such as yourselves, with Tudor knowledge under your belt could give me a better opinion. Pllllllease tell me what you think about this. If you think its stupid, tell me its stupid. If you have a better idea, tell me your better idea. But I am pretty determined to get the tattoo I just want feedback, and any feedback is good feedback. Thank you!!!
Show Last Reply
|
||||||
| lovetudors | real tudors | 10 | Jan 24 2012, 10:53 AM EST by MsSquirrly | ||||
|
Thread started: Oct 10 2009, 10:46 AM EDT
Watch
sorry 4 asking but my daughter has a thing 4 Henry Cavil----sooooooooooooooo where is a picture of King Henrys best friend Charles Brandon???????
out of
found this valuable.
Do you find this valuable?
Keyword tags:
tudor history
Show Last Reply
|
||||||
| MarinadeChampagne | Catherine Parr's demise | 3 | Jan 23 2012, 5:55 AM EST by FrancePetre | ||||
|
Thread started: Nov 1 2011, 6:10 AM EDT
Watch
By making research to improve my knowledge about the Tudors, I have learnt that Catherine died in childbirth, aged 36. Does domeone know what was the exact cause of this event? And what her daughter Mary became? Did she trully died aged 2?
Show Last Reply
|
||||||
| royalfalcon | Tudor Roleplay Opportunities | 1 | Jan 22 2012, 4:57 PM EST by LadyTudorsFan | ||||
|
Thread started: Jan 22 2012, 10:59 AM EST
Watch
http://www.facebook.com/events/194479263984566/
If you are interested in Tudor roleplay please check the above link out. I can personally say that this group is a very good roleplay group. I have been a member for about a couple of year's and have thoroughly enjoyed my time there. There are a few parts that are vacant so if you are interested why not find out more about it. They are a really nice crowd. of people.
Show Last Reply
|
||||||
| BoleynGirl | my gift..<3 | 2 | Jan 21 2012, 2:16 PM EST by BoleynGirl | ||||
|
Thread started: Jan 20 2012, 10:28 AM EST
Watch
My aunt just ordered me this ring as a gift and I am so happy!
Isn't it beautiful..? http://www.google.gr/imgres?q=anne+boleyn+ring&hl=el&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:el:official&biw=1280&bih=837&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=LW0i2Nkxu29s6M:&imgrefurl=http://www.kaboodle.com/reviews/anne-boleyn-tudor-royality-sterling-silver-ring-sizes-5-9&docid=eTa91sK0GYce0M&imgurl=http://cn1.kaboodle.com/hi/img/2/0/0/107/d/AAAAAkBmBisAAAAAAQfRXQ.jpg%253Fv%253D1212039990000&w=300&h=300&ei=3ocZT_TyHK774QS1xoHdDQ&zoom=1
Show Last Reply
|
||||||
